Brian Bosworth
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Man that would be great if Enterprise came back.I agree with alot of your ideas.Tieing Denobulans to Cardassians has alot of great story potential.
If Enterprise Came Back
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I'd love to a see a story that finally reveals who 'Future Guy' was and look at the aftermath of the TCW on the Suliban. With events from Storm Front effectively a wrinkle ironed out of the timeline, we could discover Silik alive and well, on the run from Tandaran forces... trying to contact his former benefactor. It would interesting if Silik discovers his 26th Century shadowy ally is now aiding the Romulan Star Empire.
According to this article, the Temporal Cold War was to have been reopened for an appearance by William Shatner. But that fell through, its slot in the season eventually became In A Mirror, Darkly.
According to this article, the Temporal Cold War was to have been reopened for an appearance by William Shatner. But that fell through, its slot in the season eventually became In A Mirror, Darkly.
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I would like to see one more TCW episode in which Archer is forced to make a move to save the Federation that results in the Suliban being wiped out of existence. At the end of the episode he could address the first official meeting of the Federation, talk about unity and how different races come together for a greater power, and suffer the knowledge that he and his crew know how hypocritical those statements are coming from a man that wiped out an entire race.
^ Archer is already responsible for the extinction of the Valakians ("Dear Doctor"), and you want him to cancel the Suliban too?Oh, boy...
It would be a good way to explain why they have not been seen in other series that are later in the time line. By the way, are the Valakins extinct? I thought they still had a few generations to find a cure. Maybe I was supposed to overlook that.
By Phlox's (hypothetical) projections, the Valakians would be around for two more centuries. Phlox described them as "highly evolved, technologically advanced." If they developed a cure themselves, they're not extinct.
If they did develop a cure, I wonder if Archer would be given credit for their survival.
I must admit I don't remember all these details, I haven't seen "Dear Doctor" in years (I find it too hard to get passed all the BS in that one).
Hm, mind clarifying this?
The way I saw "Dear Doctor," neither Phlox nor Archer were predicting the Valakians' future with certainty. Phlox based his medical assessments on his studies of the genetics of both the Valakians and the Menk, and on the principle of evolution. But he acknowledged that two humanoid species living side-by-side on one planet was highly unusual. This wasn't an open-and-shut textbook example of one species doomed to die out while the other developed; it was, as he said, a "projection." The possibility of the Valakians curing themselves was left open.
Given that, I have noticed that viewers who don't care for the episode often assign full blame to Archer (or sometimes, tossing some culpability to Phlox) for what they assume will be the Valakians' certain extinction, because Phlox didn't intervene in both species' natural evolutionary development by curing the Valakians. And I haven't seen mention of what people think about the Menks' potential to develop.
I'm just saying, if the opposite happened--if the Valakians had survived, because they aggressively sought a cure, spurred on by Archer's expression of hope for them--would there be an equally strong clamor to give Archer credit for their survival? After all, Phlox gave them medicine that would "ease the symptoms" for years. And Archer's refusal to hand over ready-made warp capability probably lit a fire under them to find someone who would, or even develop it themselves, so they could leave their planet and seek out a cure.
Also, if the Valakians survived, would Archer now be saddled with "blame" for keeping the Menk from getting their shot at reaching their evolutionary potential? Or is the question of blame/credit suddenly irrelevant, because Archer/Phlox took no action, and left the Valakians in the position to made their own fate?
But wait--the episode ended with Archer/Phlox taking no action, and the Valakians in the position to make their own fate. And Archer gets "blamed" by a lot of viewers.
What if Archer had ordered Phlox to cure the Valakians? Would he then be "blamed" for the Valakians' continued cultural/evolutionary suppression of the Menk?
To me, the episode is a question with no "right" answer, the same as many other Trek episodes. If Archer had had the Prime Directive in place, telling him to keep from interfering at all, the question wouldn't even be asked. Picard was a champion of the Prime Directive; he would never have considered handing over a cure to the Valakians. I wonder if viewers would be mad at him, if this had been an episode of TNG.
Getting back on topic, it might be interesting to consider a Season 5 (or 6 or 7) episode revisiting the Valakians and the Menk, and seeing whatever consequences resulted from Archer's decision not to interfere. There are so many ways you could go. Maybe we see clearer evidence of the Menks' potential. Maybe the Valakians have stolen someone's warp capability, even though they're not ready for the knowledge, to try to seek out a cure. Maybe the Menk are helping the ailing Valakians in some way, and the dynamic between the two species is shifting. Lots of possibilities.
Given that, I have noticed that viewers who don't care for the episode often assign full blame to Archer (or sometimes, tossing some culpability to Phlox) for what they assume will be the Valakians' certain extinction, because Phlox didn't intervene in both species' natural evolutionary development by curing the Valakians. And I haven't seen mention of what people think about the Menks' potential to develop.
I'm just saying, if the opposite happened--if the Valakians had survived, because they aggressively sought a cure, spurred on by Archer's expression of hope for them--would there be an equally strong clamor to give Archer credit for their survival? After all, Phlox gave them medicine that would "ease the symptoms" for years. And Archer's refusal to hand over ready-made warp capability probably lit a fire under them to find someone who would, or even develop it themselves, so they could leave their planet and seek out a cure.
Also, if the Valakians survived, would Archer now be saddled with "blame" for keeping the Menk from getting their shot at reaching their evolutionary potential? Or is the question of blame/credit suddenly irrelevant, because Archer/Phlox took no action, and left the Valakians in the position to made their own fate?
But wait--the episode ended with Archer/Phlox taking no action, and the Valakians in the position to make their own fate. And Archer gets "blamed" by a lot of viewers.
What if Archer had ordered Phlox to cure the Valakians? Would he then be "blamed" for the Valakians' continued cultural/evolutionary suppression of the Menk?
To me, the episode is a question with no "right" answer, the same as many other Trek episodes. If Archer had had the Prime Directive in place, telling him to keep from interfering at all, the question wouldn't even be asked. Picard was a champion of the Prime Directive; he would never have considered handing over a cure to the Valakians. I wonder if viewers would be mad at him, if this had been an episode of TNG.
Getting back on topic, it might be interesting to consider a Season 5 (or 6 or 7) episode revisiting the Valakians and the Menk, and seeing whatever consequences resulted from Archer's decision not to interfere. There are so many ways you could go. Maybe we see clearer evidence of the Menks' potential. Maybe the Valakians have stolen someone's warp capability, even though they're not ready for the knowledge, to try to seek out a cure. Maybe the Menk are helping the ailing Valakians in some way, and the dynamic between the two species is shifting. Lots of possibilities.
I think your using the wrong definition for quarter the correct one would be:
mercy or indulgence, esp. as shown in sparing the life and accepting the surrender of a vanquished enemy: to give quarter; to ask for quarter.
I think Enterprise did this more than most other series which is something I like. As you said, Picard would not have given it a second thought. He would not have allowed anyone to help.
Nice idea. I would have been interesting to see the Romulans get involved, offering to help with a vow that they help the Romulans against earth and the Federation. A story line that involves the Menk paying the price for the Romulan/Valakian alliance. Maybe the Valakian showing up at earth with new found warp technology and asking for help. It could be discovered that they already have a cure from the Romulans and are really there as spies.
I seriously doubt it. I don't think there would have even been a debate if this was a TNG episode. It was just another excuse by many to bash Enterprise and the Archer character. Just my opinion.
this really gets over looked with dear doctor.
phlox while not out right giving them a cure or archer giving them warp drive actually did give them a fighting chance.
a decade more of pain free life per person is a big thing.
it may have been enough time to for their best minds to work together and find a cure.
if one things about it is the prime directive form of the chinese proverb..
showing someone how to fish.
heck just having the medication phlox gave them possibly could be improved over time with research and expermentation.
it may in the end make the disease like several chronic diseases here on earth.
you cant cure them but you learn how people can live a long time with them.
but really i wonder how many people who went after this episode saw just how nasty the prime directive was in tng.
as far back as season one's the last outpost riker admitted due to the prime directive the federation had let civilizations be wiped out.
after seeing some other episodes like one with worf's brother i suspect that was some post tos stuff.
as for the suliban..so what if they are not seen again.
a lot of species in tos were never seen again in any of the other series.
the federation by the time of tos is pretty large itself. . i think the number is high but kirk did mention over a thousand planets.
heck with a just a thousand it would be easy for not every species to show up.
I would like to see:
-The rumored Kzinti story
-Perhaps the building or initial construction for Starbase One
-The Romulan War
-More character development for everyone, but particularly Hoshi, Travis, Reed, and Phlox
-A better conclusion to the TCW than Stormfront and the unmasking of Future Guy
-The creation of the Federation
-The rumored Kzinti story
-Perhaps the building or initial construction for Starbase One
-The Romulan War
-More character development for everyone, but particularly Hoshi, Travis, Reed, and Phlox
-A better conclusion to the TCW than Stormfront and the unmasking of Future Guy
-The creation of the Federation
OK, as I just registered here a few days ago, I have to post on this topic. I've read it all, and found many interesting points of view, and others that I didn't find interesting at all. It's a matter of tastes, I guess.
I would LOVE to see Enterprise back, why? Because it is needed to tell the story of two big events in the fictional story of the Trek universe: the Romulan war and the birth of the Federation. They're just one year ahead of ENT's 4th season (well, the war at least) and it's ENT's timeframe. It all could be put together in two full seasons. It would make highly dramatic episodes and stories that span many episodes. It would make a great ending to ENT. And those two major events in the Trek fictional history can't be left out. They have to be told.
I don't care about anything else, maybe except for 2 or 3 loose ends, like the Future Guy in the Temporal Cold War. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but I don't care the little details at all.
I would LOVE to see Enterprise back, why? Because it is needed to tell the story of two big events in the fictional story of the Trek universe: the Romulan war and the birth of the Federation. They're just one year ahead of ENT's 4th season (well, the war at least) and it's ENT's timeframe. It all could be put together in two full seasons. It would make highly dramatic episodes and stories that span many episodes. It would make a great ending to ENT. And those two major events in the Trek fictional history can't be left out. They have to be told.
I don't care about anything else, maybe except for 2 or 3 loose ends, like the Future Guy in the Temporal Cold War. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but I don't care the little details at all.
C.Pike, I agree. I think they could tie the TCW to the Romulans and have the Suliban perhaps be what the Remans used to be before TNG. (Or something similar.)
Believe it or not, Enterprise got me hooked on Star Trek -- largely because it was nice to start at the beginning of this wonderful and complex nearly 50-year-old story.
The only thing that could be problematic is Paramount's plans for the new movie franchise. The new Star Trek movie is brilliant and I appreciated a certain nod to Enterprise (which I won't spoil). But the storylines could step on each others toes, with one limiting the other. What would be cool is to see Enterprise crew worked into future movies (an aged Scott Bacula or Jolene Blalock perhaps?).
Lastly, all I really want is more T'Pol. I found her character extremely intriguing. I see her as a representative of a powerful evolutionary point in Human-Vulcan relations. T'Pol began to recognize that humans didn't necessarily need to adopt the Vulcan logic and emotional suppression ideology to advance. She is the first Vulcan who could truly appreciate that in some situations, the human emotionality and impetuous nature could prove to be an asset. And I think this has bearing on Spock's character, his conflicted nature and his relationships with humans.
The only thing that could be problematic is Paramount's plans for the new movie franchise. The new Star Trek movie is brilliant and I appreciated a certain nod to Enterprise (which I won't spoil). But the storylines could step on each others toes, with one limiting the other. What would be cool is to see Enterprise crew worked into future movies (an aged Scott Bacula or Jolene Blalock perhaps?).
Lastly, all I really want is more T'Pol. I found her character extremely intriguing. I see her as a representative of a powerful evolutionary point in Human-Vulcan relations. T'Pol began to recognize that humans didn't necessarily need to adopt the Vulcan logic and emotional suppression ideology to advance. She is the first Vulcan who could truly appreciate that in some situations, the human emotionality and impetuous nature could prove to be an asset. And I think this has bearing on Spock's character, his conflicted nature and his relationships with humans.
^ Nice, Sulkin! Welcome. I too saw T'Pol as a great beginning to Spock. I think her character sometimes went awry, but overall was a great addition to the Vulcans.
While the odds are definitely against such a return, it's interesting to note how Enterprise's popularity rating at Internet Movie Database has jumped up. Much more than any previous Trek series, save the original. 116% up at the moment. Could just be down to being the most recent or perhaps there's more going on here. I've been stopped by people at work, who would previously never ever talk about Star Trek, asking me about old shows, what I thought about ENT and so on.
Several things count in this show's favor - the most modern look, it's higher definition picture, widescreen, later episodes serialised into arcs (very much current TV fashion). Maybe Archer and his crew will be the first port of call, for audiences wanting to explore where the franchise has gone before?
Several things count in this show's favor - the most modern look, it's higher definition picture, widescreen, later episodes serialised into arcs (very much current TV fashion). Maybe Archer and his crew will be the first port of call, for audiences wanting to explore where the franchise has gone before?
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