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If Enterprise Came Back

Since Enterprise and its characters were created by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, I don't understand the hatred. Sure, their sole input to Season Four left much to be desired but I liked plenty of stories they did before that. Even if they had a hand in a couple of episodes per season, that to me would be worth getting the show back. (Even striking a deal with the devil).

Besides, the idea of Brannon digging himself out of the whole he wrote Trip into, really appeals to me. He created that god-awful finale. He should be the one to undo it...
 
I think showing Captain Tucker would be a major mistake, other than him on his own ship.
Actually, I agree. I think that putting Trip in a big chair would be a huge waste of his engineering brilliance and genius.

Besides, the idea of Brannon digging himself out of the whole he wrote Trip into... that appeals to me.
I too like the idea of Braga fixing TATV himself too, but then again, he'd probably screw that one up too.
 
Since Enterprise and its characters were created by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, I don't understand the hatred.

I don't either. I think Braga and Berman made mistakes, as did Coto, but don't understand why the pure hatred. And Mach, I think it goes beyond TATV.
 
Admiral Valdore is the main villain and Archers arch-nemesis during the Romulan war.
With so many ideas, it's tough to know where to begin. This one caught my eye for starters. The challenge would be how to portray a conflict where neither side 'alledgedly' met. The Romulans quickly come off as intellectual terrorists, whose voices are heard (taunting and demoralising Starfleet) but who never show themselves... Valdore becomes a threatening voice over the comm, a schemer who leaves clues or mis-directions to Archer and his superiors. A return to the battle of wits, seen in Balance of Terror. This is where I don't think Bryan Thompson fits the role and where a minor recast could help.
 
Since Enterprise and its characters were created by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, I don't understand the hatred.
I don't either. I think Braga and Berman made mistakes, as did Coto, but don't understand why the pure hatred. And Mach, I think it goes beyond TATV.
You mean, I hated the Beebs before TATV? Well, I wouldn't put it that way exactly, but I did resent Braga for making a joke out of Voyager and ruining it with a flawed finale (I so desperately hoped to see Janeway and CO. readjust to life on Earth, Tuvok reuniting with his family on Vulcan, stuff like that, if only for just one ep).

And if I understood the things correctly, had Rick Berman had his way with DS9, that show would have ended up ruined too (it would have been mediocre without the Dominion War, and Berman wanted it to last no more than 5 or 6 episodes IIRC).

BTW, I don't hate anyone, i just resent. That's all.
 
^ My fault. I used the word 'hatred'. Not appropriate here then, but it has been with so many comments I've read online in the past.

From a production perspective, a massive revamp to the look of Enterprise, would have to happen if it ever returned. With sets either now in the hands of fandom (bought from It's A Wrap, via Christies) or in a landfill, I honestly wonder how much of the set from These Are The Voyages could be reassembled. So either a series set after 2161 on a refitted NX-01 or before, but with a massive retcon or plot where history has been altered/restored...

So many returning series which fans campaigned long and hard to get back, end up with their sets done 75% in CG - to keep costs down. Babylon 5, Red Dwarf. Both did this recently with decidedly mixed results. Ending on a positive note, it was great to see those actors back together and in character however.
 
You asked what we wanted to see in future seasons. We are discussing it. I see no off topic discussions when posters are debating TnT in future seasons.
Neither do I, but TnT is a thorn in Commies side, and it is her thread after all.
But in my hypothetical season 5, TnT is an integral/important element. That romance gave the show soul if you ask me.
 
Neither do I, but TnT is a thorn in Commies side, and it is her thread after all.
But in my hypothetical season 5, TnT is an integral/important element. That romance gave the show soul if you ask me.
I have no problem with Commodore64 determining the topic and content of her thread. I would just appreciate the topic being qualified by stating "No TnT Allowed" so at least I understand what the ground rules are.
 
REMINDER: NO unhidden movie spoilers. No references to themes or plot elements. None. Nada. Zilch. Zippo. Use the spoiler tags. If you're not sure, use the spoiler tags anyway.

Read [thread=74690] this spoiler reminder[/thread]. Then read it again. Then STOP with the spoilers. There's a big beautiful forum for discussing Trek XI, and I strongly suggest you keep your discussions of the movie there.

Just two more weeks. PLEASE.

Those who want to continue to discuss T/T'P: http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=89978
There's no reason to post your new thread link everywhere. This topic, by your own OP, is about what people would want to see if Enterprise came back, and how they would want to see it. Relationships are fair game.

...but TnT is a thorn in Commies side...
No more comments like this, Mach5.

I have no problem with Commodore64 determining the topic and content of her thread. I would just appreciate the topic being qualified by stating "No TnT Allowed" so at least I understand what the ground rules are.
That would certainly be a good thing to do in future threads.
 
I'd rather see a return tv series with the original Enterprise cast or a direct to dvd release. Instead of Just computer webisodes.Not everyone is able to watch shows on a computer if you have a slow internet connection.I'd like to see the lead up to the Romulan war. More stories with the Vulcans and Andorians. Some stories that take place on Earth. I want to see More about the developement of the warp 6 engines and starships technology.Section 31 and more about Malcolm's time serving with them.
 
^ To tell you the truth, I'd actually prefer this hypothetical ENT comeback in a miniseries form, instead of a full season, and this Romulan War thing would work great as a three-act story.

Act I - something similar to TGTMD - Coalition of Planets is about to be formed, Rommies don't like that and start stirring up sh#t. Trip goes to Romulan space to try to sabotage their Warp VII development and to steal their research.

Act II - open war, battles and stuff. We see the war from both Coalition's and Romulan POV.
Trip still undercover, and we follow him as he learns about Romulans, their culture and society.

Act III - the grand finale, ultimate Coalition / Romulan showdown, NX-01 is destroyed, Mayweather dies a heroic death.
Trip successful at sabotage, but gets caught and sentenced to death. Archer becomes Admiral, peace is negotiated, so is Tuckers release. He returns to Earth, assumes the new identity and lives happily ever after. T'Pol stays on Earth as Coalition council member or something.
The show ends with the christening of the new Enterprise NCC-01, commanded by Captain Malcolm Reed :) (New uniforms with the delta shield are introduced).
Final scene, Archer does the narration (Space - the final frontier), Enterprise goes to warp, fanfare, the end.

Fanwank baby, that's what I'm talking about :lol:
 
The way Kirk originally described the Romulan War in TOS, it wouldn't work in the ENT universe.
Technically, it was Spock who described it. But how so?

Spock:
As you recall from your histories, this conflict was fought, by our standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels which allowed no quarter, no captives. Nor was there even ship-to-ship, visual communication; therefore, no human, Romulan, or ally has ever seen the other.

Clearly, the NX-01 and NX-02 had a brig and crew quarters. Their photonic torpedoes were anti-matter based, not atomic. Also, visual communication was possible.

The way Spock described it originally made me think of very basic junker ships hurling atomic bombs at each other with only radio transmission and barely able to sustain themselves in deep space.
 
Oh well, we'll just have to be flexible and live with another canon inconsistency. I guess it's to be expected with a franchise as old as this one. First Contact and Enterprise threw that all out the window.
 
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As you recall from your histories, this conflict was fought, by our standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels which allowed no quarter, no captives. Nor was there even ship-to-ship, visual communication; therefore, no human, Romulan, or ally has ever seen the other.

Clearly, the NX-01 and NX-02 had a brig and crew quarters. Their photonic torpedoes were anti-matter based, not atomic. Also, visual communication was possible.

The way Spock described it originally made me think of very basic junker ships hurling atomic bombs at each other with only radio transmission and barely able to sustain themselves in deep space.
There are always plausable explanations, which might allow the writers to wriggle out of their canonical straight-jacket. It's pretty late at night here, otherwise I'd take you through each discrepancy. Aside from referring you Affliction, where Reed is confined to a brig, barely room enough to hold two people... Most crew on the NX-class, were in two bunk quarters. With the increased number of MACOs and who knows, maybe a contingent from an Earth Stellar Navy? That would stretch the crew capacity to the limit.

I'll tackle the important one - that old atomic chestnut. I wouldn't for one moment, pretend anything seen during ENT never happened. Case in point, here in the early 21st Century we can produce electric and hydrogen fueled cars. But they're not exactly common place. Give Enterprise a break and look for realistic explainations why a few of the more 'advanced' aspects of 22nd Century technology regressed during the Earth/Romulan conflict. The NX-01 was just a test bed and desperation meant they had the best prototype weaponary available to take on the Xindi.

Perhaps the Romulan War took place with the use of spatial torpedoes? There's absolutely nothing onscreen that contradicts the notion they're nuclear. (Atomic is such an old fashioned term TOS used). So why the retrograde step back in technology then? Maybe the enemy developed a means of remotely tapping into the photonic variety (through hull plating, inside the ship itself). Releasing the magnetic isolation field, resulting in many casualities from lethal gamma rays. Since a key disaster like that, Earth Starfleet vessels would then have to further develop forcefields or thicker shielding around anything using anti-matter. Then as in reality, wartime brings further advances like the first protective shield bubble metres outside the hull, surpassing the ability of polarized plating.

The next major inconsistancy is a Romulan Empire experimenting with cloaks. Well of course, we don't know stealth devices are exactly the same as 23rd/24th century means of invisibility. It was holography they tested on those drone ships, as I recall. That was basically camouflage able to mimic the appearance of other ships - switching between looking transparent, then like the NX-01 or an Andorian ship and so on. For the majority of the war, I imagine such high-tech wouldn't come into play, not in the traditional hide & seek way TOS/TNG did. More likely the Romulans could employ it tactically to catch an enemy off guard, like projecting fake visual signals of a much larger fleet. So Earth vessels go after what they see as a swarm of vessels but not all are real. Some turn out to be explosive holographic decoys, effective making ship-to-ship confrontation as ferocious as Styles described in Balance of Terror. From our perspective, the Romulan vessels appear to finish a suicide run... when few ships would even have an occupant. Maybe one or two controlling the whole fleet, necessary to remotely operate the surrounding ships... who are obviously too busy coordinating the attack to communicate visually.

So history books record that no bodies were ever recovered or face-to-face meeting. Of course, they don't. United Earth Goverment wouldn't risk releasing such information anyway. A Vulcanoid race out to conquer Earth, possibly double-dealing with other Coalition members? Yeah, Terra Prime would go into recruitment overdrive with that, especially on a planet feeling increasingly victimised.
 
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So history books record that no bodies were ever recovered or face-to-face meeting. Of course, they don't. United Earth Goverment wouldn't risk releasing such information anyway. A Vulcanoid race out to conquer Earth, possibly double-dealing with other Coalition members? Yeah, Terra Prime would go into recruitment overdrive with that, especially on a planet feeling increasingly victimised.

This last part is interesting. I wonder if the government cover up included killing squealers that had seen Romulans or if it just brandished them as crazy conspiracy theorists.

:shifty:
 
This last part is interesting. I wonder if the government cover up included killing squealers that had seen Romulans or if it just brandished them as crazy conspiracy theorists. :shifty:
Getting the broadstrokes right, fitting the Romulan War into ENT, that's just tinkering around the edges really. Star Trek has always been about human drama and personal conflict. Remember the reporter Gannet Brooks? Imagine if her investigative journalism uncovered the Vulcan/Romulan conspiracy. There's a decent plot to be made of putting Mayweather and Reed at odds. After the favour Harris did, getting them to Mars undetected, Malcolm now owes them. Say for instance, paying back Section 31 included ensuring Gannet never made it back alive from frontline reporting?
 
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