I prefered Nemesis
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I think a lot of fans aren't really Star Trek fans, they're Berman Trekkers. They were raised on Berman Trek, and they think that's what Star Trek is. I hope with the success of the new movie, Berman Trek is dead forever.
LMAO!!!!!
So do I actually. Battlefield Earth was pretty horrid, but it was surprisingly better.
"Where's the heavy handed message about tolerance?"
"2 out of shape guys in bad make up fighting ackwardy"
"Film blasted as accessible to those who don't even know what Pon Farr is"
LMAO!!! awesome!!
And that news reporter chick is SMOKING HOT!!! Yikes!!
Nemesis is an average TNG episode. Trying to ape Star Wars. The Holiday Special. Badly.
One of the best things about XI is that it's scrubbed my memory clean of the worst excesses of the TNG era movies
Everyone hated the dune buggy scene, but let me ask you how is that different from the sport car fell off the edgy scene?
The problem with the dune buggy scene was that the director wanted to add in something "cool" fill with action to attract the action junkies. The whole scene just didnt jive with the rest of the tone of the movie. Now if rest of the nemesis would be packed with action/shooting/driving scene all of those that love Star Trek XI would of loved nemesis.
If you want to compare Shinzon vs Nero, atleast shinzon had a motivation. Growing up in the shadow of piccard, resenting the fact that piccard had a better life than he did. In some ways shinzon is a very conflicted character, he wanted to make a better life for his people, and he used methods that piccard would never do. This is in large due to a need to distingush himself from piccard.
But now what's Nero's motoivation? "uh I'm Nero, i'm crazy, I want revenage!!!!" The who plot of nero wanted revenage against spock and all federation doesnt make sense. Its like someone blamming a firefighter, who risked their life to save his family but failed. Would it better for spock to die in the attempt to save romulas? Would that make Nero less crazy?
Especially when nero got into the pass he have a chance to safe his wife and all romulas, but that doesnt seem to be his concern. He is fixated on making the firefighter pay for even attempting to save his family.
The problem with the dune buggy scene was that the director wanted to add in something "cool" fill with action to attract the action junkies. The whole scene just didnt jive with the rest of the tone of the movie. Now if rest of the nemesis would be packed with action/shooting/driving scene all of those that love Star Trek XI would of loved nemesis.
If you want to compare Shinzon vs Nero, atleast shinzon had a motivation. Growing up in the shadow of piccard, resenting the fact that piccard had a better life than he did. In some ways shinzon is a very conflicted character, he wanted to make a better life for his people, and he used methods that piccard would never do. This is in large due to a need to distingush himself from piccard.
But now what's Nero's motoivation? "uh I'm Nero, i'm crazy, I want revenage!!!!" The who plot of nero wanted revenage against spock and all federation doesnt make sense. Its like someone blamming a firefighter, who risked their life to save his family but failed. Would it better for spock to die in the attempt to save romulas? Would that make Nero less crazy?
Especially when nero got into the pass he have a chance to safe his wife and all romulas, but that doesnt seem to be his concern. He is fixated on making the firefighter pay for even attempting to save his family.
I think the Corvette scene was the weakest part of the movie IMO, it should have been a Mustang lol (kidding
). Anyway even so, the Corvette is a known American Icon that almost everyone will instantly recognize. The go kart in Nemesis? Not so much. Also, the Corvette was being driven by a little punk kid. The Argo by an old man who SHOULD have known better.It violated the Prime Directive? You know - no contact with pre-warp societies?
When was Picard's DNA stolen (in film reason - not retconn'ed book explanation)? It was the Romulans who created Shinzon then discarded him -but he goes after the Federation? THe DNA was taken when Picard was just another SF captain - wht was he targetted?
He sees the Federation as failing (possibly on purpose given the trust level between the Romulans and Federation) to live up to their promise of saving his homeworld and loved ones. Spock is the face of the Federation to Nero. I'm not seeing the problem with Nero's motivation.
Especially when nero got into the pass he have a chance to safe his wife and all romulas, but that doesnt seem to be his concern. He is fixated on making the firefighter pay for even attempting to save his family.
Um, he's lost his mind? He's working with his own disordered "logic" What don't you get? Plus they have no control over where they "arrive". How is he going to save his family, let alone that they are now in an alternate reality how many years earlier in which his wife and child may not even exist yet?
"Picard".
I think the Corvette scene was the weakest part of the movie IMO, it should have been a Mustang lol (kidding
hmmm there does seem to be alot of iconic imagery in this new movie isnt it?
Is that why so many people can relate to this movie?
The blatant use of iconic imagery and cultural references?
Is that why Scary Movie is so successful? *
Shinzon had a motivation? News to me. Huh, around these parts that always seems to be the largest gripe with NEM its bad guys totally misplaced motives. Picard was a total none factor in Shinzon's life its not as if he was the big brother who got all the attention and it caused old Shin to resent him.
I buy Nero's motives far easier then Shinzon's.
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News to me. Huh, around these parts that always seems to be the largest gripe with NEM its bad guys totally misplaced motives. Picard was a total none factor in Shinzon's life its not as if he was the big brother who got all the attention and it caused old Shin to resent him.I buy Nero's motives far easier then Shinzon's.
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I actually enjoyed Nem, but not as much as NeoNuTrek. 
I think the Corvette scene was the weakest part of the movie IMO, it should have been a Mustang lol (kidding
hmmm there does seem to be alot of iconic imagery in this new movie isnt it?
Is that why so many people can relate to this movie?
The blatant use of iconic imagery and cultural references?
Is that why Scary Movie is so successful? *
I'm not American. For logic re: the car "icon" to work for me, it would have to be an FJ Holden, not a Corvette. Burning across the desert and pranging into a gum tree or crashing off the Three Sisters' lookout, or going over The Gap.
What other iconic imagery (for non-Americans)?
well that would require the rest of the audience to know what the prime directive is. That scene is obviously geared towards the non fans of trek.
Picard is a target because he is such a noted officer. I dont believe Shinzon wanted to destroy the whole federation, just Earth. He wanted to conquer the rest of the federation. To destroy earth is shinzon's attemp to wipe all humanity from himself. Its easily understandable given, shinzon hates being a human, and sees himself as reman.
So spock failed on purpose, he could of easily given this information to the romlans thus avoiding the distruction of his planet. And given his advance mining ship from the future. He could of given it to the romulans and having them conquer the federation. Going after someone who failed is ludicrous at best.
Um, he's lost his mind? He's working with his own disordered "logic" What don't you get? Plus they have no control over where they "arrive". How is he going to save his family, let alone that they are now in an alternate reality how many years earlier in which his wife and child may not even exist yet?Especially when nero got into the pass he have a chance to safe his wife and all romulas, but that doesnt seem to be his concern. He is fixated on making the firefighter pay for even attempting to save his family.
So you would rather have a villain that's lost his mind and obivously crazy. Thus any logical rationalization of his motivation is not need.
VS
A villain whos logical conflicted, and you can even sympathize with.
So a crazy comic book villain is better than a believable relateable villain.
Shinzon had a motivation?
Picard was Shinzon's shadow, shinzon was created because of picard. His always been told that is a copy, he doesnt have any idenitity of his own. Picard is human, shinzon is human, romulans hated humans more than remans.
Picard had all the glory, the fame, the luxery and a comfortable life.
While Shinzon had to work his way out of a mining camp.
Well if you dont see why shinzon had a resentment for picard then i would suggest a bit of light reading on psychology
Well that is because crazy and lunatic is so much easyer to explain to the general public than actually analyzing the psychology of humans.
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Shinzon had a motivation?
Picard was Shinzon's shadow, shinzon was created because of picard. His always been told that is a copy, he doesnt have any idenitity of his own. Picard is human, shinzon is human, romulans hated humans more than remans.
Picard had all the glory, the fame, the luxery and a comfortable life.
While Shinzon had to work his way out of a mining camp.
Well if you dont see why shinzon had a resentment for picard then i would suggest a bit of light reading on psychology
Well that is because crazy and lunatic is so much easyer to explain to the general public than actually analyzing the psychology of humans.
Um, I have grad quals in Counselling and I'm completing grad dip in Psychological Studies right now with a view to doing a Master's - is that enough light Psychology background to make a judgement call justifying how I feel? And I really don;t care if you agree or not - you're free to have you're own opinion. In my opinion, Shinzon's anger is misdirected at best.
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Shinzon had a motivation?
Picard was Shinzon's shadow, shinzon was created because of picard. His always been told that is a copy, he doesnt have any idenitity of his own. Picard is human, shinzon is human, romulans hated humans more than remans.
Picard had all the glory, the fame, the luxery and a comfortable life.
While Shinzon had to work his way out of a mining camp.
Well if you dont see why shinzon had a resentment for picard then i would suggest a bit of light reading on psychology
Well that is because crazy and lunatic is so much easyer to explain to the general public than actually analyzing the psychology of humans.
Um, I have grad quals in Counselling and I'm completing grad dip in Psychological Studies right now with a view to doing a Master's - is that enough light Psychology background to make a judgement call justifying how I feel? And I really don;t care if you agree or not - you're free to have you're own opinion. In my opinion, Shinzon's anger is misdirected at best.
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