Yes, he raped us of 2 hours of our lives. And he did it the Greek way...
I prefered Nemesis
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Im sorry but all of this bashing of Nemesis is getting really old. Some people on this board act like Nemesis is the worst film to ever hit the silver screen when that is not even close to being true. It was an average trek movie with pretty good special effects but that does not make it the worst movie known to mankind.
True. The Blair Witch Project takes that crown.
A: The bad guy was "an evil twin". Christ. Just tie Deanna up to some railroad tracks as you laugh evilly while you twist your mustache.
B: The friends of the bad guy were not nice to look at. They look like aborted clones drizzled in maple syrup. Too obvious.
C: More convenient Enterprise placement.
"Oh, we just happen to be the closest ship to this planet with the Retard Data...which just happens to get us 'dangerously close' to the Neutral Zone." How many times were "dangerously close" and "Netural Zone" used in the same sentence in the span of TNG?
D: Fanboy Enterprise. Fanboy Scimitar. 19,246 Quantum Torpedo tubes vs 492,399 disruptor cannons! Oh, it can fire when cloaked? So we can't use our massive arsenal? Fuck it! RAM 'EM! And Deanna crashed another Enterprise.
E: So far...the only Trek movie to feature text messaging...for two people sitting 4 feet from each other.
F: So far...only Trek movie to feature a dune buggy and of road racin'! Get 'er done!
G-P: The last 5 minutes are thrown together. Sub bitches about this
1. Picard hits gross alien in the face with a phaser rifle, why he didn't fire, I don't know.
2. When he hit the guy...the futuristic metallic-alloy gun just...breaks.
3. The evil twin was melting in a manner akin to the Wicked Witch of the West, not a threat anymore.
4. Data jumps from ship to ship (about 5-10 miles) and just barely catches a convenient thingy sticking out, and sneaks in an even more convenient access hatch located exactly where he needed it to be (it was also unlocked)
5. Picard, just stands there as the Technobabble Radiation builds, seemingly dooming his entire crew. If he wasn't going to do anything, why the fuck did he beam over there in the first place?
6. Data shows up at the last second, beams Picard back...says "goodbye" and instead of deactivating the beam, learning God knows how much about the ship, he just shoots his phaser into it.
7. Data dies.
8. Deanna cries.
9. Will finally gets promoted and leaves.
Q: Where's Q? He'd make a much better villain than "Evil Romulan Picard"
R: The Romulan Senate is gone. Do we hear anything from the Romulans? No. I guess they're all ok with it.
S: Main cast singing...because he can, no other reason.
T: A hole was blown in the bridge. A HOLE WAS BLOWN IN THE BRIDGE, and only one person got sucked out. No one burned. Sorta a 'meh' hole. Didn't seem to want to do alot of damage.
U: At the end, it leaves it WIDE-FUCKING-OPEN for a follow up...something...like Data's memory techobabble made it to Retard Data. Will we see it? Nope.
V: New Warbirds, don't look as good as the old Warbirds, and they sorta suck at fighting. You'd think they'd know something about fighting a cloaked ship. But no. Nada. Useless and more fanboy "OH THIS IS TEH KEWL" bs.
W: Worf...again, found his way back, and pitched down to make him seem more alien. Yeah, thanks. Lets make the guy who has been on screen the most in all of Trek, and change him to make him more different. Like the ass on his head wasn't enough.
X: Regarding the above mentioned dune buggy frivolities. I guess they seemed to casually forget that they violated about 15 parts of the Prime Directive (showing themselves to pre warp civilization, shooting at them)…all because they wanted to find another brother for Data
Y: And speaking of another Data brother? Why? That last one seemed to be not worth the trouble of putting him back together…and OHHHHH NOOOO! This one is out to hurt us too…but in a naive 3 year old sticking a fork in an outlet sorta way.
Z: We’re forced to live with it as a finale of a series that many of us grew to love. If that’s it, make us be glad its over. Don’t tease us with open-ended plot holes. Riker on the Titan? Never gonna see it. B4 becoming Data…never gonna see it. Enterprise E? Never gonna see that ever again because half the crew is gone. Yet another Picard and Data wank-fest that left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth.
Now, would it suck as much if it wasn’t the last one? Eh, I dunno…none of us will ever know as we’re not going to be given a proper send off for TNG.
16 years, and that’s what Paramount gives us.
Thanks. Why don’t you just kick my dog while you’re at it?
That...in a nutshell, is why it sucks.
Damn. I thought it would be Batman & Robin. Or Gigili (???)
But is does make it the worst movie to vulcankind, andoriankind, betazoidkind, androidkind, telluritekind, xindikind, romulankind, klingonkind, cardassiankind, sulibankind, borgkind, talaxiankind, bejorankind, ferengikind... ok maybe not ferengikind, they would certainly pull a Blair Witch Project marketing strategy over a documentary of the mating ritual of tribbles.
I remember when fans were excited about Baird because he promised something different. The buggy scenes were supposed to point to Trek being refreshed.
I had no desire to see NEM in the cinema again after the first time. I occasionally watch it on dvd and along with Insurrection it is a decent double ep of TNG for me. That's about it. Better than Encounter at Farpoint, worse than all of DS9.
I haven't seen ST09, just the trailers. But what I would hold up as a comparison rather than NEM is DS9: Valiant. a bottle episode made at somewhere around 1% the budget of ST09, maybe 3% that of NEM or less. It's not a movie, but it has young characters, a good story, nice visuals, and is easily rewatchable.
[Fawlty Towers]Otherwise okay?[/Fawlty Towers]
If Nemesis felt like Star Trek, it can only be a good thing that XI doesn't.
The only things I felt after seeing Nemesis were disgust, dismay, and an urge to demand a refund.
I found my last root canal to be far more enjoyable. No that's not fair - I found my last mammogram and pap-smear combined, more enjoyable than Nemesis.
You were kinder than I would've been. I'd probably make it to ZZZZ.
I have to support Shinzon here, definitely even though I liked Trek XI as a movie (and as time passes I'll get more comfortable of accepting this new Trek version), previous Star Trek films did have THE FEEL that they belong to the one universe we've known - Star Trek universe. This new movie changes too many things, and as a result it looses that familiar feel, that was present for Trek fans in previous shows / movies.
My point being, Star Trek XI has been changed on so many points, that if we remove the Star Trek header and re-name the crew, we have "just another sci-fi" movie, which wouldn't necessarily be associated in any way with Star Trek. So little is enough to make it unrecognizable as Star Trek.
HERBERT HERBERT HERBERT!!
Personally, even though it isnt the best star trek film, and it is probably the worst. I can still put it on and watch it, and even, *dont hurt me* enjoy it!!
Some of the people here are too critical of a film. so it focuses on the MAIN characters. meh. I liked it.
New universe.
Other than "starfleet", "Enterprise", "Vulcan", "Romulan", "the Federation" and much more being there.
I see what you're saying, but at the same time Nemesis was just a big pile of shit (horrible diarrhea dog shit). If you take out all of the Star Trek names and references it'd just be another shitty sci-fi movie that comes out in December that makes it to the "4/$20" bin at Walmart. (see what I did there?)
Trek, *should* be about big ideas and concepts and this movie lacks that, but yet it's, well, it's fun! Stuff happens! It doesn't feel pedestrian and like a two-hour episode on the big screen. And considering JJ's talents on TV we do not know what this new spin-off in the franchise will accomplish in sequels. As I said elsewhere this movie was just to bring in new people and whet appetites. Something big very well be coming over the horizon.
I really do wish TNG got a proper send-off but Berman sterilized Trek to nothing and Barid didn't know what he was doing. The guy isn't even a frickin' director and he gets to helm a Star Trek movie?!
So, basically what you're saying is that 'Star Trek' has made absolutely no impact on pop culture whatsoever and that its basic components are unrecognizable without specific references to the title or character names?
That's interesting considering the vast number of direct or indirect parodies of or references to Trek made over the years, many of which never said "Star Trek" or the names of the characters they were imitating once. Yet somehow people knew what it was about. I suppose everyone thought 'Galaxy Quest' was a parody of 'Aliens' or some other random scifi franchise, since it shared none of its in-movie TV show or character names with 'Star Trek' at all and the production design while sharing some similarities was vastly different?
The Enterprise (both in TOS and Trek XI) doesn't have a unique and instantly recognizable shape and appearance, even when the aesthetics are tweaked? The mix of main crew are not unique enough to be recognizable as being part of this franchise without being named?
This movie was instantly recognizable as Star Trek, and would have still been so even if they changed the title and character names.
At least he was in the film for more than six minutes.
You mean you didnt like the space nosferatu, but they were so original and worth of screentime! I dont know about anyone else, but i was overjoyed to find out that after waiting years for a film with a Romulan villain, we were given Nosferatu and a human sex pest. [/sarcasm]
Probably as many times as Laurentian System will be used in the J.Jverse
Fanboy Enterprise, Fanboy Narada.
Starfleet probably figured out that just turning your back to the viewscreen and talking in a low voice isnt enough to stop the villain guessing your secret plan
Well J.J did try to fit a dune buggy scene into XI, but had to cut it to make room for the police and monster chases.
Nemesis and XI both teach us an important lesson: If there is an unidentified weapon threatening you, the best way to deal with it is shoot it with a phaser/nearby disrupter. There's no way that could make the situation worse.
He was busing trying to get into Janeway's knickers again.
Dont be daft, that would have taken up screentime desperately needed for the Space Nosferatu.
And to increase Album sales of "Ol' Yellow eyes is back"
You can if you want to spend $10 on a poorly written comic that adds nothing of interest.
Worf's character was exactly the same as it was in the show...around season 3.
TNG deserved a Star Trek VI style sendoff, hell before the film was released the cast kept going on about how the tag line was "A generations final journey begins...". I really think they thought they would get a sequel off the back of Nemesis, which makes me think they didnt watch the film before release. Then again Stewart and Spiner thought Insurrection was a good story.
Berman is working his way through the list of Trekkie dog owners, he'll kick yours as soon as he can.
I don't know. Worked for Kirk in TWOK.
I don't know. Worked for Kirk in TWOK.
Khan was hard of hearing. Too much time experimenting with Ceti Alpha eels.
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