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And he thinks we're sheep, too.
I prefered Nemesis
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And he thinks we're sheep, too.
Well, "Kewl" or not Nemesis "Socked"
It's current. It's relevant. Of course people are going to defend it because chances are you're going to find more people in here who actually like it as compared to people who don't. The reviews and box office receipts speak for themselves and show that it's not just fans being "sheep".
Coming in here and calling everyone that is like walking into a block party, shitting in the punch, and then insulting everyone because the punch bowl isn't big enough for said shit.
"ew" as in "fuel" is only pronounced that way in some places. In New York "ew" in "New" is pronounced "Noo" as are a lot of other "ew" words.
The accent that bothered me (and boy did it bother me) was one of the Vulcan children taunting Spock. Extremely pronounced American accent. Cringe.
You don't need a degree in psychology or marketing to understand why this movie is a hit. The promotional budget alone was probably more than Nemesis' production budget. Paramount executives chose to promote this film as a summertime tentpole unlike the past 2 Trek movies which were catered to a niche market. Plus, this movie features an "it" producer/director... hot sexy bodies, lots of explosions, and a weak plot that could be understood by preschooler's.
Yes, I know that different countries, regions and dialects of the same language, have different phonemes. I was having a go, as "kewl" drives me batty. Anyway have to go do an exam in an hour or so, funnily enough, a large chunk of it will be language cognition.
As opposed to the high art that was Nemesis, right?
Even Nemesis (which admittedly is more of an action flick than an intellectual sci-fi movie), still introduced a somewhat thoughtful notion of nature vs nurture. It wasn't groundbreaking, but its better than a drunken/testosterone charged thug "enlisting" in the US Marines (oops I meant Starfleet).
Preschooler's what?
preschoolers.
I would agree that they did shinzon really badly on screen. But just to be fair it is alot harder to portray a such complex character on screen. As oppose to simply acting crazy for Nero. Any one can play Nero, hell I can do NeroThe problem as I see it is simply this:
In Nemesis, we are asked to believe that someone that looks like a 17 year old kid is going to tangle and hold his own with a respected mature captain like Picard, AND we are asked to believe that this person IS Picard, only younger?
It just doesn't work. Like I said before, it may have worked on Paper, but it didn't transfer to the big screen. The sad thing is that there's simple things they could have done to fix this problem. For one, don't be pretentious in your introduction of the character. What was with the waiting 18hr or whatever it was, and then all the secrecy about who he is, even to the last moment when he slowwwwwwwwwly steps into the light for the big reveal that....gasp!......he looks just like Picard. What was this supposed to prove? Was it some lame attempt at trying to convince the audience that this person was Picard's clone? Why is he bald? Why is he taking FOREVER to get shit done????
nuStar Trek did it the right way, Nero appears on screen saying "Hi Christopher, I'm Nero" bam!! the authority that scene had was amazing, like the guy was saying "Hi cockroaches, I'm Nero", and he doesn't waste any time, he lets all cannons loose almost immediately.
The whole time Shinzon was acting like a brat and emo beeyatch, I kept thinking back to the lines in TMP when Spock said "V'Ger is a child" and McCoy goes "well, what do you suggest we do, spank it?". That's how I felt the entire movie, Shinzon needed a good spanking. The rape scene just made him look even more like a creepy pervert, like the 17 year old in mom's basement with the terabytes of triple x rated material.
Nero on the other hand, even if the character wasn't fleshed out the same, actually felt like an adult. A whacko crazed nut who would stab you while you're looking at him, but adult none the less, and far more terrifying.
grrrrrrrrrrr...The difference between Shinzon and Nero is on the intend of the writer.
The writer tried to come up with a more complex villain, and I gave them props for that. While the writer for Nero just said hell lets not bother to come up with a good back story for him, let just paint him with tattoos, and have him act all mean and crazy.
If the choice is between a well thought out attempt at creating something smart, but ultimately failing.
VS
A lazy attempt to create something stupid. If stupid is what the writers intended then stupid succeeded.
I'll take a good try, over an insult to my intelligence any time of the day.
And yet we see another one who thinks this movie is a well written, intellegent piece of master theaters.And we have yet another one who thinks he's "smart" because he doesn't like the film.
The point is not whether you are a fan before its cool, the point is, now you feel vindicated and have alot more to talk about to your none trek friends, because it is now so cool.Possum, I was a Trek fan before it was "cool" (1969).
there were a lot of movies that had even bigger marketing budgets that crashed and burned.
shrugh what ever..
i liked it..
most of the people i personally know and that i value the opinion of really liked it or loved it.
the vast majority of critics liked it or loved it.
it probably had the greatest number of stellar reviews have seen in a long time.
It just seems to me that a lot of Trek fans would be bitching and moaning about things if this film wasn't a commercial hit. People called the sexuality of Seven of Nine and T'Pol desperate and out of place. Yet all of the adolescent garbage found in this film is magically embraced.
I think that it would be more unfortunate to quote any of the dialogue from this "film".
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