I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...
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Given that Braga hoped to recruit Behr to showrun season 3, seeing the Xindi story as something to what DS9 did, I'm not sure this is a particularly brave opinion. Season 3 could well be DS9, Braga-style.
What does bravery have to do with anything?
Well, Berman & Braga didn't have any. Thus the play-it-safe Trek of their regime.
A lot of people deleted that episode from their head canon, you might choose to do that too so in the end it might not even count as a spoiler...
Nah, it was the producers, not the network. They've never said why they chose it that I can remember, but common thought is that it was part of the overall effort to make a version of Star Trek that appealed to more than just the core fanbase due to sagging ratings in the tail end of Voyager. Make it Star Trek without seeming too Star Trek. Thus also the name being "Enterprise" at first rather than "Star Trek: Enterprise".
I wonder, if there had been a 5th season, how the Trip character would have developed knowing he was doomed.
To be fair, it's a 12-year-old spoiler.
It grew on me, I was into it after about a season or so. It really fits what Enterprise was supposed to be about; humanity's first steps into interstellar space and all.
Berman's gone both ways on if Trip's death would have been included in TATV if they'd been renewed, there's no guarantee that would've still been part of the episode.
Spoiler Alert: they're all dead!
In all seriousness--and without spoiling anything--the artifice that structures the story is peculiar, and it would have allowed Enterprise to have continued in spite of having portrayed Tucker's death, either partially or completely. Indeed, Tucker's death has almost no organic relationship to how the series developed over its four seasons. These things make the series finale easy to dismiss.
Since you've already been spoiled on the key point, you may as well know this much about that episode. It's more like some of Voyagers "Everybody Dies" type episodes. It is a time jumped episode that is set years after the series. Well into the future of the characters. Further filtered in another way. So it is showing one of those Trek possible futures, or possible pasts depending on how you look at it. The character death that you mention, while awful, is not really the bad of the episode. Everything else is. Perhaps the worst thing being Enterprises final episode is not actually an episode of Enterprise. It is in fact an episode of another Star Trek series. Berman couldn't even let them have their own finale. When you hear the last three words spoken by a character on screen in the last moment of televised Trek, you will put your foot through the TV. No question. So don't sweat the spoiler. It's like knowing Harry Captains a ship in Endgame. It's the least of the absurd problems in Endgame.
Not even that, really. It's more like a fourth of an episode of another Star Trek series.
There were so many times previously in the series (especially season 3) that Trip and others should have died - that his actual, pointless, shoe - horned in death is even more insulting.
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At the rate we're going, I'll know the whole series off before I even get ten episodes in
Just watched Unexpected, the one where Trip gets... pregnant. I expected to see a holodeck at some point in the show... but five episodes in? Come on, guys, it can't be getting that desperate
That one stands out even among Enterprise as one of the franchises lowest dumbest moments. Remember how I once said that if you were to make a list of the 5 worst Star Trek episodes you would end up with one from each series without even trying. Well that's a strong contender for Enterprises. (It should be noted that Enterprise WILL fill out the bulk of numbers 6-10.)
The one lesson Enterprise did take from DS9 was to create a strong cast of recurring characters and actors to help build the world. Vaugh Armstrong as Admirral Forrest, Gary Graham as Ambassador Soval and Jeffrey Comb's Shran will form a huge part of this. You had asked to see more of the early relations with familiar races. This Enterprise does. and at times even does well. I mean they can't do that badly once they let Jeffrey Combs and Gary Graham out to play
. Do be warned the Enterprise Andorians while much more fleshed out than they have ever been in the earlier shows and movies, are a bit different than most were expecting. Things like dramatic changes to the makeup etc. (for the record the Andorians now have broad bumpy foreheads for a technical reason. It hides the mechanism that makes the antenna move.)At the rate we're going, I'll know the whole series off before I even get ten episodes in
Just watched Unexpected, the one where Trip gets... pregnant. I expected to see a holodeck at some point in the show... but five episodes in? Come on, guys, it can't be getting that desperate
If it helps any, while we rag a lot on Enterprises last episode. The one immediately before it. The second to last episode is often hailed as the series best and one of the entire Trek franchises high points. So you do have the very best to look forward to.
"Enterprise" put an end to Trek as a place for SF and SF ideas. Maybe this was happening gradually over decades, but it reached its last stage here. Enterprise was a mainstream action-adventure show that just happened to take place on a space ship. They aimed for entertainment and conflict like other shows, and gave up on raising questions about technology, scientific discovery, etc... We're not offered new ways of seeing anything... it's more like, did we fill the time? Was there an exciting fight or argument?
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Despite how much fans like s4 for its continuity fetish, it's all written with dialogue that's just as dull as the other seasons. The talking is there just to get their continuity stuff to happen.
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Despite how much fans like s4 for its continuity fetish, it's all written with dialogue that's just as dull as the other seasons. The talking is there just to get their continuity stuff to happen.
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We see an ancestor of Dr. Soong. At the end, he's in jail, and says to himself-- "Artificial intelligence... maybe that's the way to go..." or something like that. Not clever, groan-worthy actually, but it's continuity with Next Gen, so hooray, for no good reason. Note how utterly uninterested Spiner is in the line, as he says it....
It certainly doesn't inspire the audience to think when they're regurgitating the same story ideas for the third time or so.
Get this series out of the way at whatever pace feels comfortable and head straight to nuBSG.
Get this series out of the way at whatever pace feels comfortable and head straight to nuBSG.
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