I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...

[wayoung]

Was the "sweet spot" in any technical manuals of the TOS E back in the day? I remember it being in a few of the novels, like Enterprise : The First Adventure, but never on screen until ENT. Wondering if the idea came from a tech schematic drawn up for the show, or if ENT got it from the books, or simply parallel thinking?

Broken Bow was a good start. Like Voyager's pilot - it brought in a lot of good ideas and concepts.

 

[Forbin]

I'd never heard of the sweet spot until that very episode, and I have as many of the tech pubs as I could find from back in the day. I doubt it was mentioned in any of them. I don't read the novels, though.

 

[wayoung]

Hmm, so probably different writers at different times coming up with the same idea.

 

[Forbin]

Or maybe the episode writer read it in one of the novels and liked the idea.

 

[wayoung]

Or maybe the episode writer read it in one of the novels and liked the idea.

Do the writer of the books cede all rights to the franchise? Or do they retain rights to individual ideas created for the novels?

Wondering if this would be a Nick Locarno/Tom Paris situation where they just changed the name to avoid paying the original creater.

 

[Tracy Trek]

What was the technical reason for the sweet spot anyway? Was it one spot on the ship where all the different gravity fields cancelled each other out? Rendering that one spot zero-G.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Pretty much

Essentially the same thing as the zero G area on Yorktown in ST Beyond

 

[wayoung]

I agree with tpol and seven, but I think you'll find the supporting cast is much better than Voyager's as time goes on.

 

[wayoung]

Yeah, if you thought VOY retread TNG scripts you're in for - (whats the opposite of a surprise?) with ENT stories.

There's an anecdote about an episode Rene Aberjonis directed, where Bakula approached him because he was so excited Enterpise was actually making a good episode. Aberjonois (again, the director) told him it should be good since he'd already made the same episode once for DS9.

I'm paraphrasing, I don't remember the actual story word for word. I'm sure someone else here has the link.


FYI The stupid softcore crap continues through the series. The worst of it doesn't even arrive until season three. I'm pretty sure you're only a handful of episodes away from Hoshi losing her shirt when it gets snagged on metal and holding her breasts in front of Malcolm

 

[The Old Mixer]

(whats the opposite of a surprise?)

Deja vu?

 

[wayoung]

...... I can live with that...

It sounds better than it is.

You will enjoy the mirror universe though. They did the sex appeal right in those Epson, along with everything else.

 

[Griffeytrek]

That theme song though? I'd heard some bad things about it... but sheesh, that was corny. So out-of-place.

This might help a bit. Some "Enterprising" fans figured out that "Archer's Theme" The orchestral bit that they play over the end credits perfectly matches up beat for beat, change for change, with the Opening titles. Why you almost might think that it was intended to be the main theme up until some clueless studio exec meddled.

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On a positive note, the whiny and insipid Faith of the Heart opening song gets a little bit better starting I think in season 3. They remix and rework it. It's still awful, just not as awful. Like they take away the whiny hippy's badly tuned acoustic guitar and make him play electric.

It sounds better than it is.

You will enjoy the mirror universe though. They did the sex appeal right in those Epson, along with everything else.

Oh yeah! Through a Mirror Darkly 1&2 are among the best Enterprise ever was. If you loved Terry Farrel in the DS9 Tribbles episode, you will LOVE this one. Something to look forward to.

 

[wayoung]

This might help a bit. Some "Enterprising" fans figured out that "Archer's Theme" The orchestral bit that they play over the end credits perfectly matches up beat for beat, change for change, with the Opening titles. Why you almost might think that it was intended to be the main theme up until some clueless studio exec meddled.

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Oh yeah! Through a Mirror Darkly 1&2 are among the best Enterprise ever was. If you loved Terry Farrel in the DS9 Tribbles episode, you will LOVE this one. Something to look forward to.

I'd say they're among the best Trek, not just the best Enterprise.

 

[Griffeytrek]

I agree with tpol and seven, but I think you'll find the supporting cast is much better than Voyager's as time goes on.

Yeah, there really are no regular members of Enterprises cast that are simply annoying or embarrassing. Mayweathers failing is he is dull. "Shut up and Drive" is pretty much all they do with him. Probably the closest to the annoyance threshold is Hoshi in the early episodes where she gets to play helpless cowardly screaming crew member a few times. There is nothing on Enterprise that comes close to the clueless stupidity of Neelix or their explorations of Chakotay's heritage and history. As weird as it sounds Archer may be the worst written member of the crew. He suffers more than a bit from the Janeway Random and Psychotic Personality of the Week. Every writer had a slightly different vision for him, resulting in him coming off as a bit of an unfocused incompetent moron on more than a few occasions.

 

[wayoung]

^Totally agree. Archer sucks.

 

[Forbin]

T'Pol is basically Seven of Nine with pointy ears.

The whole cast is eerily similar to the Voyager crew.

Disturbing, isn't it.

 

[Griffeytrek]

Disturbing, isn't it.

Well they had this whole roomful of scripts to get through, so they needed a cast that could be shoehorned into them...

 

[Griffeytrek]

Oh and a fun game is to start taking notes of how many times Archer gets his ass kicked. James T Kirk in a fight he is not!

 

[Idran]

About half the episodes in the first two seasons are good, most of the rest are bland with a few bad ones. But season 3 and 4 are some of the best seasons of Star Trek and each take the show in a fresh new direction.

This is pretty much where I am, yeah. I'd even go so far as to say that DS9 is my second-favorite Trek alongside DS9 thanks in large part to S3 and S4. I think S2 was the low point for me, there's a pretty dire stretch early on (2x05-2x11) that I struggle to get through in a rewatch. 2x19 up through the finale, though? That's up there with S4 for me.

This might help a bit. Some "Enterprising" fans figured out that "Archer's Theme" The orchestral bit that they play over the end credits perfectly matches up beat for beat, change for change, with the Opening titles. Why you almost might think that it was intended to be the main theme up until some clueless studio exec meddled.

It wasn't that some fans figured it out, it was that the composer said that it was originally planned to be the theme.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

This is pretty much where I am, yeah. I'd even go so far as to say that DS9 is my second-favorite Trek alongside DS9 thanks in large part to S3 and S4.

After DS9, Enterprise, even in its first season, had the most "universe-building" potential of all the Trek series. There is more of a drive to explain things, to understand relationships, to allow mentalities and cultures to drift and evolve with new challenges. There are too many bad Enterprise episodes, and I have issues with a lot of the acting. However, many episodes have potential for great excitement, even when it is not entirely fulfilled.