I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...

[Griffeytrek]

Well, I just got finished watching Endgame, and with that, Star Trek: Voyager.

Now, does someone want to let me in on the joke and tell me there's another episode of VOY I missed out on where I get to see the crew back on Earth? Haha, guys?

...... guys?

You actually nailed the flaws in the episode dead on. Which is impressive with one viewing. Normally it takes a few to pick up all the more subtle flaws surrounding the time travel stupidity.

That unsatisfying "it finished one scene too early... where's the payoff!?!" Is a Hallmark of when Rick Bergman gets directly involved.

As for any further closure? There is one more scene, with one character, and yes it is a follow up scene with them on earth. It is in Nemesis. You may find yourself a bit mentally and physically disoriented once the shear enormity of that one scene sinks in.

And we do sort of know the final outcome of one other character. Tuvok will go on to serve as first or second officer aboard the USS Titan. Under the command of Captain William Riker and the skilled capable hands of Deanna "get us out of orbit!" Troi. Tuvok really is freaking cursed, isn't he? While this never appears on screen anywhere, it's all from the books, Paramount for some reason outside the norm, considers the existence of the Titan and her crew as cannon. Just not the specific published stories. They even built a studio model of the Titan for a Mall Tour. The safe bet is Tuvok found some way to bring on his degenerative brain disease himself in order to dull the pain that is his life. Just when he finally escapes Neelix after seven years of hell, he finds himself outranked by Deanna Troi. That could cause even a Vulcan to start eating paint.

 

[Griffeytrek]

Broken Bow is actually good.
So a nice way to get over the disappointment of Endgame.

Yes indeed. I know some don't care for Broken Bow, but once you get past that horrible Patch Adams opening theme song, I always thought it was one of the stronger and more watchable Star Trek opening episodes. It's certainly the best looking one, with decent pacing.

As you get deeper into the series, please do keep this Dilbert strip in mind.
http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-12-28
You will find Enterprise makes much more sense, and is much better, once you realize that the crew is Earth's most enthusiastic space explorers. Not their best and brightest. Starfleet kept the best and brightest in reserve, opting to see what horrifying ends would meet Archer and his Expendables before risking anybody actually important. (This goes a long way towards explaining the Chief Engineer who comes complete with his own banjo music.) Admiral Forrest is not a fool.

I actually think you will like Enterprise a great deal. Certainly more than you are expecting.

 

[Tracy Trek]

And how did they even get home? Weren't the options here either to destroy the big blue transwarp thing and continue on with their 15-16 year journey or not destroy the transwarp thing and instead take a quick trip home to the Alpha Quadrant and cut years off their journey at the expense of millions of lives?

I never felt like it was explained real well, but I believe they came up with a way to collapse the conduit behind them as they went through it. But they had to have old Janeway to distract the Borg Queen and also to infect her.

When they do get home and the journey ends, we don't get to see it. It just proves how much these writers actually cared about the idea.

It does feel like a slap in the face to the fans. Maybe they thought they couldn't please everybody by resolving things so they chose to please nobody.

We don't even get to see Tom hold the baby in his arms for Christ's sake.

I was quite ticked off about that at the time.

VOY doesn't really have an ending or conclusion, it just stops.

Agreed. I wanted to see if Tom and his father could salvage their relationship. If the Maquis crew were going to be pardoned or still in trouble. But nothing. Actually it seemed anytime there could have been have been some interaction between Tom and his father there was nothing. His letter was lost, he gave his comm. time to Harry, etc.

Now, does someone want to let me in on the joke and tell me there's another episode of VOY I missed out on where I get to see the crew back on Earth? Haha, guys?

Haha, sorry no. Only in the novels or in fanfiction.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

It won't be quite as rough as you imagine it maybe.
They go the save route with warp drives, transporters, phase(r) pistols, etc and just call that stuff new.
Stories in the beginning are a bit hit and miss and often conservative story telling.
Season 3 will do a lot of what Voyager should have done, though, and season embraces it's prequel status and show a lot of getting from there to here.
And the final stories are so relevant to current world politics as they could ever be (not counting the actual last episode).
Despite the much hated finale, you will feel the wish for more stories with this crew I think.

 

[The Old Mixer]

In my experience, Enterprise's worst sin, and the thing that caused me to drop it for a while (and never bother revisiting the episodes that I missed) is that it's boring. It's a rehash of a rehash of a rehash. I got bored when I realized that "Episode X" was better the last time they'd done on it Voyager, and was even better the time they'd done it before that, on TNG. I also remember watching a dramatic ready room scene between Archer and Reed about duty and betrayal that wasn't working for me, and realizing that the scene probably worked a lot better on paper because it was effectively written for Picard and Worf.

 

[wayoung]

@The Old Mixer is dead on. Enterprise is horribly bland.

So very boring

Especially season 2 which, as it is also the same time as Nemesis, is the absolute nadir of the franchise, as previously mentioned.

Even the "good" seasons are only really considered good by people really wanting to find something good in the show and in comparison to the drudgery preceding them.

They try shoehorning lame softcore sex appeal and it fails miserably.

The "good" seasons, especially four, remind me more of a decent first season of a TV series that has potential, not the mid series point where it's supposed to be in its prime.

Bakula's Archer is annoying. As is T'Pol. However, the rest of the ships crew are well casted and performed.

Oh, I had finished this post then realized forgot about Travis when writing that previous sentence. But that's ok, so did the writers.

The "morals" expressed during the series as the basis of the "more evolved" 24th century to come are nutso. The episode that establishes the Prime Directive in all but name turns Archer and crew into genocidal monsters, playing God with entire species, and tries to call them hero's for it.


Oddly enough it does have what I think to be one of the highpoints of the franchise in its mirror universe episodes. They shown that when the writers and cast are allowed to cut loose that the talent was their to make a quality shoe - it just never happened.

 

[Forbin]

Every once in a while an ep of Enterprise would fade up, and there's the establishing shot of the ship floating in space, and there's the bland music, and I'd be unable to distinguish it from Voyager or TNG for a moment, and realize there's nothing new going on here.

 

[Forbin]

Re: T'Pol. My first impression was "Oh no, not another Ice Queen Sex Doll in a catsuit. And hiring an actress who seemed to be the poster girl for botox and boob jobs. Why do the producers keep foisting their fetishes on us?"

But after a while, I started to really appreciate what Jolene was doing with her performance. Vulcan-Stoic, but of an age before Vulcans were flat-out required to be unemotional. I think she walked the line well. Then of course, her public statement on the finale just made me love her more .

 

[The Old Mixer]

Hate would be too strong an emotion for the series to evoke. What damns the series is its ability to evoke monumental indifference.

 

[wayoung]

Hate would be too strong an emotion for the series to evoke. What damns the series is its ability to evoke monumental indifference.

It's the Travis Mayweather of Trek shows.

 

[Seven of Five]

Nice to see more of your thoughts on VOY's last season. I've said enough about Endgame in this thread and many others over the years, so I'll rest my case. The viewers are left wanting, which unfortunately happened too much during the series.

Season seven as a whole was one of the more enjoyable ones for me, probably my second favourite behind the fourth.

And so onto ENT. Well, just bear with it. Luckily here the best of it lies in seasons three and four, so if you find yourself banging your head at any time, you know the good stuff is coming.

I think season one is better than season two.

 

[1001001]

I liked Enterprise quite a bit, especially Seasons 3 and 4.

Don't plan on hating it, just let it wash over you and keep an open mind.

 

[Warp Core Breach]

While Enterprise isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, I found it much more palatable than Voyager by far. Not that it's a very high bar, there. :P

 

[The Old Mixer]

Enterprise might have gone down better if it had come sooner. I was into it at first, but after all those years of consecutive and overlapping Trek series, it was somewhere in the middle of ENT that I finally had my "the emperor has no clothes" moment and asked myself why I was still watching.

 

[Warp Core Breach]

Heh, I got to that point about midway through Voyager, so I get what you're saying.

 

[Griffeytrek]

I'll admit, I've been pretty eager to start Enterprise for a while now.

Going back to a more primitive time where humans are less perfect, but more relatable, interesting and accessible than your Captain Kirk, Picard and Janeways is super appealing to me.

Come back and reread that delightfully optimistic hope, once you've spent some time with Trip, Hoshi, and Mayweather. Your perfect trifecta of "Relatable, Accesible and Interesting". (Oh man will we have FUN with that quote!)

On the positive side of things I do generally prefer Enterprise over Voyager. The cast by and large has good chemistry. Far more so than Voyager where you could see how much they actually despised each other on screen. As an added bonus there really is no "Neelix" type character to draw the ire. The closest is Doctor Flox, but they have the common sense to play with this well and use him a little more sparingly. He comes off as strange, Alien and quirky without ever passing into "shithead" territory. (We have Archer for that...) I like to think that Flox is what Neelix was supposed to be.

Enterprises entry for the annual " pointless one note character that sounded better on paper in the writers room" is Mayweather. At least he isn't a goofy and badly thought out Alien.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Heh, I got to that point about midway through Voyager, so I get what you're saying.

In retrospect, I could see that VGR had played a big role in eroding my blind love of Trek, but things only came to a head for me during ENT.

 

[UnknownSample]

Enterprise started with an edgy premise, but then made the show in a tired, worn out, plodding way from day one, which is a real timesaver. Most Treks erode to that point over a few years.

Enterprise is the second ST show Berman felt forced to do. He ended Next Generation, and only then was informed that a ST starship series was required, by Paramount I guess. If he'd known, he could have just continued Next Gen. Instead, he had to put together a whole new show. To his credit, he was concerned about Trek being handed over to some hack by the business people. So, 7 years of Voyager. Then he has to do ANOTHER Trek series. Of course he'll be all tuckered out and uninspired.

The biggest problem with Enterprise is the dull, functional dialogue that just keeps the basic plot going. No one has interesting ideas or thoughts. Stuff just happens.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Hm. Yeah. Compare that to Doctor Who, where people grow tired of showrunners after 2-3 years already.

 

[Mareika]

Well, I just got finished watching Endgame, and with that, Star Trek: Voyager.

I'm... kind of disappointed right now. [...]
VOY doesn't really have an ending or conclusion, it just stops. And that's a real shame for a show with such great potential.
[...]
I feel positive about my time watching VOY, but overall, I definitely feel it could've been a lot better...



Now, does someone want to let me in on the joke and tell me there's another episode of VOY I missed out on where I get to see the crew back on Earth? Haha, guys?

...... guys?

Agree!! Agree!!!
Agree in nearly every word you`ve said (Except C/7,love it, but they should have started many episodes before with this and should build it up). It`s really a shame! Voyager deserved a much better ending or a movie.