Oh, well then, as long as I'm not being censored go to town
I don't think that qualifies as being censored since people can still read what is written if they want to.
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I don't think that qualifies as being censored since people can still read what is written if they want to.
That's why I used the quotations - I'm not sure of a better word for what I meant.
I'm differentiating "satisfactory" endings from something more. An ending can be satisfactory but still not live up to the proceeding show. It happens quite often - how many lists are there about disappointing finales? They aren't bad, just not "good enough"
That's why I singled out The Shield and used "perfect" - I can't imagine a better way to end that series. It wasn't merely satisfactory - it was an exceptional ending - but, no, you are right, nothings perfect.
I was being facetious, but because I have javascript turned off to avoid the constant redirects I get from trekbbs I can't access the emoticons to make that clear.
I don't think I ever saw the ending of The Shield. I saw quite a few episodes but probably not in the series order. So if I saw the ending, I wouldn't probably know about it unless someone told me.
You mean you get sent to other sites? When my Chrome gets too shitty, which happens after a time,I simply desinstall it and reinstall it from scratch. It takes about three minutes and then I am good till it gets all messy again.
I believe second from last episode that has the single most cathartic moment I've ever seen filmed.
Yeah, there's a thread about it in the board issues forum. A bunch of us are having the same problem.
Well, my deinstall/reinstall trick seems to be taking care of that problem, at least for a few weeks.
Most of her body is covered, what you mean is that it's tightly fit.
I remember reading where an artist (might have been Byrne) said that he found female characters in comic books who wore skintight catsuits sexier than those with suits that showed more skin, because with the skintight suits, he was basically drawing nude female outlines and putting costume details on them.
I, too, think the tension between the concept of Seven of Nine and presentation is quite striking. When discussing the introduction and the use of the character in 50 Year Mission, producers and writers speak quite eloquently about how they could spin unique stories about the "child raised by wolves." However, they explicitly, and unapologetically, describe her as "the Borg babe" and the " T&A." Indeed, it seems that those descriptions applied even before Jeri Ryan auditioned.
Without a doubt, sexuality will be different in the future. But we can't ignore how the producers appealed to juvenile instincts (to put it mildly) when conceiving how the character would be seen.Ryan seemed ok with it, but there have been other times when actresses have been humiliated in the name of greater sexual freedom of the future (like Carrie Fisher in the slave costume).
Yeah, I don't want to get into any big, heated debates about VGR, but as a regular viewer at the time, I was insulted by the blatant pandering behind the conception of Seven.
Slave Leia, OTOH, was about anything but "sexual freedom of the future," since (a) she was wearing that because she was enslaved, and (b) it wasn't the future.
Slave Leia, OTOH, was about anything but "sexual freedom of the future," since (a) she was wearing that because she was enslaved, and (b) it wasn't the future.
At least we can say not all the writers were affected by that sexualization/objectification, writing strong stories based on the character's concept more than anything else. The OP has still not seen "Drone" or "Survival Instinct," which would have been strong with or without the costume. Indeed, Drone, Voyager's version of Inner Light/The Visitor, deconstructs (through mechanisms I won't divulge so as not to spoil the plot) Seven of Nine, making her seem small in a way that the costume can't contradict.
Seven succeeded as a good character despite the best efforts of the producers.
She was added to appeal to the young male demographic, right?
I've read the first skin tight suit they put her in was so tight that she (Jeri Ryan) passed out or almost passed out. If it's the silver one, I can believe it. It even looks like it has a corset underneath it. It's beyond ridiculous for someone to be put in something that tight.
Someone mentioned Carrie Fisher, I recall an interview where she told about how they wanted her to lose 10 pounds before the first Star Wars movie.
I've read the first skin tight suit they put her in was so tight that she (Jeri Ryan) passed out or almost passed out. If it's the silver one, I can believe it. It even looks like it has a corset underneath it. It's beyond ridiculous for someone to be put in something that tight.
Someone mentioned Carrie Fisher, I recall an interview where she told about how they wanted her to lose 10 pounds before the first Star Wars movie.
Carrie Fisher is not exactly in the same league as Jeri Ryan.
Seven succeeded as a good character despite the best efforts of the producers.
I disagree. Seeing as Ryan married one of the producers, I'd say they were firmly in her camp, which would also explain why she got so much of the focus and better parts....
That's not to say she isn't talented or that the catsuit was demeaning and horrible. I'm saying he the idea that Ryan had to fight tooth and nail and succeeded in spite of the producers is kinda ridiculous.
I remember Jewel State being told the opposite for Firefly. Film is a visual medium. Like it or not, appearance is one of the biggest factors in casting. Especially the appearance of women, which is extremely unfair.
That's why the character actors are nearly always more talented than movie stars, but hardly ever get leading roles.
Edit to clarify : I'm not saying movies should only cast unattractive people as leads - film is fantasy, and in fantasy we're all beautiful, I get that, and, as a sexual being, would rather watch a beautiful woman than an unattractive one - but I recognize that the pressures put on the actresses is deplorable and that the obsession with youth and beauty is costing many talented people chances to perform.
I don't think we're privy to every relevant fact in this affair.
Catherine Deneuve is a good example of talent overcoming the passage of time.
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