I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...

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  1. Shalashaska

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    Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang was surprisingly good and a lot of fun. Felt like a good heist movie. I thought Sisko's speech about racism in the '60s was a bit heavy-handed and unnecessary, as well as it being another Vic episode where a guy who's been on the show for barely a year is treated better than some who've been here for seven, but they're minor quibbles. Avery Brooks' singing in the end more than made up for them ;)

    I do hope we get back to the Dominion War soon. Season seven has so far been a lot of Ezri and Vic. It's starting to feel a little shark jumpy.
     
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    I love that episode purely for entertainment. I actually watch it all the time. The best part is when the whole cast is decked out in tuxedos and dresses, striding by Quark's on their way to the holosuite.
     
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    It will get back to the war.
    Watch some Voyager now and after that it will be a non stop ride to the end with DS9.
     
  4. Griffeytrek

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    Badda Bing Badda Bang is the last stand alone non arc episode. Everything from here to the end is on point Dominion War. They front loaded all of the Random Crap and Padding that they normally spread out over a season in order to have a straight run of arc episodes for the entire back half. Season 7 will redeem itself.
     
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  5. Seven of Five

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    Yeah it does eventually. I always find the first half hard to rewatch with the Ezri overload. As much as I love the Final Chapter, I always thought the season would have been better paced with a spreading out of the really good stuff.
     
  6. Bad Thoughts

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    I have to disagree. Take away all the major episodes--the final chapters and the season openers--and there are three ensemble episode, two Odo episodes, two Bashir, one Kira, one Quark/Ferengi, and one Worf. That leaves one for Vic (and Nog) and three for Ezri, one of which she shares with Garak, and one of which was extremely anomalous (it was a seriously bungled Sisko episode). Certainly all the episodes that drive the war forward belong to other characters, and the best--Treachery, Chimera, and Inter Arma--belong to the older characters.
     
  7. Shalashaska

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    I really appreciate how the writers stood their ground in Course: Oblivion rather than copping out at the end with "there's an escape pod!", or worse yet "we have a cure!".

    Quite a tragic story to say the least. Janeway's death and the ending hit me much harder than I thought it would. I'm not sure if it totally makes sense with Demon (couldn't even remember which episode they were talking about while watching, had to read about it again after), but no matter. Like much of Fuller's episodes on VOY, it was something new and different. That at least is to be praised.
     
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  8. Shalashaska

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    They're not the focus of every episode, no, but they seem to be in quite a lot of episodes and kind of stand out a bit. I think I've seen more of Ezri this season than I have Sisko, I actually kind of missed him before he finally had something to do in Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang.

    Don't get me wrong though, I like Ezri. She's not bad!
     
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    At this point there are so many assorted clones and duplicates and copies of Voyager running around the Delta Quadrant, likely further duplicating themselves through subspace anomalies and quasimenotictechnobabble fluids etc, that Voyager can in fact be categorized as an Intergalactic form of Cancer. It duplicates itself and corrupts and destroys everything in its past. "You Will Be Assimilated For Coffee!".
     
  10. Shalashaska

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    What's the difference between Section 31 and Starfleet Intelligence?

    Brutal.

    Just noticed you signed up on the same day as my birthday. Considering you're one of the best contributors to this thread as well as that, I believe we were meant to be together :beer:
     
  11. Griffeytrek

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    Starfleet Inteligence is an actual publicly acknowledged division of Starfleet. Section 31 is a "does not exist" Super Secret Off the Books Wet Works brigade outside of any normal channels or oversight. The major difference will become clear towards the end of DS9.
     
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    He always had a lot of inner turmoil, and a nice line in understated snark - I guess it just took a while to see.
    She's not "back". The Borg create "queens" to facilitate communication with the non-collectivized.
    Yeah, there are a lot of useless standalones in the last couple of seasons.

    I'm not saying the Baku's origins justify the Fed's assertion of eminent domain, but it does mean that relations started on the wrong foot - i.e. the secret surveillance we see at the start of the film is something they would do for a pre-warp culture, but if they'd known they were warp-capable they might have opened relations directly.
    Death waits for no-one.
     
  13. Shalashaska

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    Just watched the first three episodes of DS9's final nine-episode story arc. Wow!

    It almost feels kind of soap opera-ish, in a good way. Love all the character and story development so far!
     
  14. ItIsGreen

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    First Contact retconned her as having been on the cube from "Best of Both Worlds" too, so she also somehow survived that, only to come 'back' in FC. It's never really explained how the Queen survives/is reincarnated when she is killed/defeated - and yeah the Queen's not played by Alice Kriege in this episode but I think we're supposed to pretend it's the same one.

    You'd think, but again First Contact retconned this into the Queen looking for some kind of 'equal' and having chosen Picard for the task - a sort of 'Duke of the Borg' to her Queen. And Hugh in "I, Borg" treated him with some sort of recognition and reverence beyond a regular drone when he roleplayed Locutus. So who knows? The Borg never really made sense.
     
  15. Bad Thoughts

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    I'm curious to know how you feel about Ezri's role in these episodes.
     
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    I think I said to myself a couple days ago that I wish we saw more of Ezri and Worf having to bond with each other. It felt kind of cheap spending one episode on it at the start of the season and then never exploring it again. I was wrong on that part, they did get back into it and it's quite satisfying, even if it is a little "soap opera-ish" with the constant "I LOVE YOU, NOW I HATE YOU, NOW I LOVE YOU, AND NOW I HATE YOU AGAIN!" back-and-forth between the two.
     
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    Making the new Dax a man would have been so great to see - especially considering the sub-plot with Ezri's feelings for Worf.

    But I understand why they made Dax a woman again - Kira would have been the only female character left in the main cast :(
     
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    A lot of that is a consequence of the writers not knowing entirely what they were doing. Echevarria, Moore and Weddle all admit that they had difficulties synchronizing stories together, meaning that some character arcs stagnated (either took unusually long or were subject to lots of filler) until important plot points came into fruition. Yes, there is too much soap opera in the dialogue, but I appreciate that there was an honest story about how ex-spouses/ex-lovers related to one another.
     
  19. Shalashaska

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    USS Defiant... she's dead, Jim :confused:
     
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    Someone to Watch Over Me is too cute. Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo have such great chemistry.
     
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