Yeah, Six exactly, because Favorite Son is a dud.
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Yeah, Six exactly, because Favorite Son is a dud.
I always found season three of Voyager a bit of a slog. Well until the last six episodes anyway.
I'm rewatching VOY now anyway. I always forget I liked a lot of the stuff they were doing at first in season one, but it ultimately went nowhere. Now I'm on season two.
I think growing up with TNG, DS9 and VOY really made it apparent to me when I was younger that VOY wasn't living up to the other two. Watching the show again on DVDs years later though, and now on Netflix, I know what I'm getting myself into.It certainly makes me appreciate what I did like more.
Yeah, remember I said Season 6 of DS9 may be the Star Trek franchises single best season. Voyager Season 3 is the opposite of that. It's challenging early TNG for seasons you have to fight to get through. It picks up right at the end. With the last six episodes being quite good. And three of them ranking among the series best.
With one exception as far as I am concerned. I really like future's end.
I was thinking this morning and even though Trek was a huge part of my childhood and it has some fantastic elements, the franchise as a whole probably only batted about .350 ,at least for me, once you actually compare the good / great content against the "meh" /bad.
IMO TOS had some really bad episodes, though no one annoyed me quite as much as that stupid space hippies episode. What a worthless piece of...
TOS was huge for me. We had three channels and it was on every Sunday, plus my dad got the columbia house tapes mailed in so we had to watch those ("to make sure they weren't bad") when they came in. TNG started when I was 4 but did not air on any channel I had. When I did see an occasional episode it didn't work for me. DS9 again started before I had cable but when I was able to watch it when we did move to a place with cable it was great, and I watched it in a double feature with Voy on the weekends. Voy started with potential but then flushed it down the can. Came back a bit at the end but overall pretty mediocre. Ent I gave up on after the first season, rewatching it now on Netflix, mostly meh with some horrid and some good episodes thrown in.
There were 29 seasons of Trek. I figure the bad of TOS and DS9 are cancelled out by the excellent episodes of the other series, plus extra good episodes. The movie franchise, on the whole, is more good than bad. So that's how I came up with the franchise being a .350 for me as a whole
Would be interested in Shalashaska's thoughts since he's been watching them all start to finish.
TOS was huge for me. We had three channels and it was on every Sunday, plus my dad got the columbia house tapes mailed in so we had to watch those ("to make sure they weren't bad") when they came in. TNG started when I was 4 but did not air on any channel I had. When I did see an occasional episode it didn't work for me. DS9 again started before I had cable but when I was able to watch it when we did move to a place with cable it was great, and I watched it in a double feature with Voy on the weekends. Voy started with potential but then flushed it down the can. Came back a bit at the end but overall pretty mediocre. Ent I gave up on after the first season, rewatching it now on Netflix, mostly meh with some horrid and some good episodes thrown in.
There were 29 seasons of Trek. I figure the bad of TOS and DS9 are cancelled out by the excellent episodes of the other series, plus extra good episodes. The movie franchise, on the whole, is more good than bad. So that's how I came up with the franchise being a .350 for me as a whole
Would be interested in Shalashaska's thoughts since he's been watching them all start to finish.
Personally I like about half of them, of the whole franchise I mean, with TOS, TNG and DS9 being above that average and both Voy and Ent being below.
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Dune is my favourite book. Messiah is vastly underrated. The rest of the originals are great but don't reach the heights of the first two. The remainder aren't worth mentioning.
You've got in season 3, one coming up called Real Life which I've noticed others posting on another thread as a very good one. I think it's a good one also. Although it does have a continuity error.
One of the best in the series, IMO is Timeless. But that is not until season 5.
One of the best in the series, IMO is Timeless. But that is not until season 5.
Hey, you've roused my curiosity. What's that continuity error you're talking about?
Oops, sorry. I'm getting 2 episodes mixed up because they are both EMH-centric. I must be getting senile.
I think I actually meant Living Witness, (is that an actual title in the series) which isn't until season 4. Sorry, Shalashaska.Oops, sorry. I'm getting 2 episodes mixed up because they are both EMH-centric. I must be getting senile.
No problem.
Real Life is a fantastic episode, in a very Trek Like way. I've avoided mentioning it because I want Shala to come up on that one pretty cold.
There are some Good and Bad episodes, that knowing ahead of time they will be such doesn't matter. Timeless is one of the best Voyager episodes and a strong candidate for series best and a top 10 Trek. It doesn't hurt to know this ahead of time because from the moment it opens it grabs your eyes and doesn't let go. Knowing it's good ahead of time gets you pumped and makes sure you have the remote in hand to rewind and rematch that spectacular effects sequence. (You all know the one).
Knowing Threshold is bad ahead of time doesn't really hurt. There is no way to adequately spoil it or prepare the victim ahead of time. Nothing will blunt the WTF factor. Although warning them to get drunk may be the humanitarian thing to do.
Real Life is the opposite of those. It's at its best when approached cold and unprepared.
The next episode Favorite Son is perhaps the most Harry Kim'iest Harry Kim episode of the series. Whether you like it will depend on the dark twisted psychological filters you view the show through. It is neither good nor bad but simply confirms the rules of the Star Trek universe as regards Harry Kim. While Rodenberry discouraged religion in his shows, apparently the concepts of Karma and Balance krept in somewhere. In order for the universe to have a James T Kirk, it must also have a Harry Kim. This rule really sucks for Harry Kim.
I think even the bad of TOS ages better than the other series. For Good or Bad TOS is rarely boring. The more theatrical nature of it, and all productions of the time, lend a certain campy dramatic flair to the bad. Television, and particularly Science Fiction of the 60's was really essentially stage plays. Performed by stage players. It adds some gravitas to even the horrible.
Whereas TNG and Voy occasionally suffer a bit from bland and boring episodes. Ones that don't flag as "bad" or really catch the imagination, but rather just feel like standard "beige" technobabble of the week Trek episodes. Inoffensive, but nothing that you will even remember details of an hour later and just fade into a generic whole of the series. DS9 has some of those early on, by the end it runs into the problem of serialized tv, where as the arc builds the individual episodes and specific episode stories kind of blend together and become indistinct. Season 3 and 4 of Babylon 5 have the same effect.
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I don't believe they ever again mentioned the whole Harry Kim or Naomi Wildmon thing ever again in the show. The Star Trek Online video game had a fairly elaborate story/quest series that dealt with it. Complete with voice work by Garret Wang. One of the better stories in the game as I recall. It felt like a direct follow up to several Voyager episodes and was very well done.
(And it follows the Trek universes rule of Kim. Even dead Harry Kim's corpse get more lovin then Harry Kim. As I said, the anti Kirk.)
not long anymore, my young friend, then you will reach the path of the Scorpion. Be patient and the completion is yours
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agreed. Scorpion marks the turnaround point for Voyager. It's Voyagers equivalent to Best of Both Worlds or The Jem'Hadar or The Way of the Warrior in how it reflects an overall change in tone and improvement to the series.
It's a long standing tradition that star trek series suck at their beginning.
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