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I like Ezri, but...

Why did they even bother to introduce Jabba in Return of the Jedi ? Or Wicket? Or Ackbar? They should have focused their remaining time on the previously established characters. ;)
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. The opening of Return of the Jedi feels like I'm watching a completely different movie. No wonder why is considered the weakest of the original trilogy.
 
How is Ezri a Cousin Oliver but Worf and Seven not? Just curious, I don't really remember the Brady Bunch much.
Ezri was not just an edition that came later, but came in the last season, and being younger than the rest of the cast, Ezri stood out for her age. Cousins Oliver tend to be fresh faced, energetic, and naive, in contrast to the original characters, who are long in the tooth, perhaps cynical, and well-defined.
 
Cousins Oliver tend to be fresh faced, energetic, and naive
I like how you're trying to avoid pointing out that Olivers are (almost exclusively?) minors, presumably because that rules out Ezri.

How is Ezri a Cousin Oliver but Worf and Seven not?
Funnily enough, the Cousin Oliver that showed up on Married...With Children was named Seven. The show had the good sense to dump the kid and almost never refer to him again. :D
 
How is it copping out when one of the main premises of the Trill from their introduction was that they can take on new hosts?
The main thing with the Trill was to explore the reaction and coping of the main characters to their friend or lover's death and them reappearing in changed form. Beverly Crusher first and Sisko later, but in DS9's case they dropped the "Old Man Dax" thing as soon as it became repetitive and was going nowhere anyway.

Sisko had a lot of problems earlier (Borg killed his wife, single father to a teen, Old Man Dax) but they (good) got rid of all that baggage.

But in DS9 S7 Dax being a Trill was used as an extra life in a videogame
 
And it didn't help that instead of being a station counselor (and serving a different function) she was doing the same job Jadzia did. It felt more like a recasting than a new cast member.

The rationale of a station counselor who was more screwed up than her patients didn't sit well with me either.
 
I like how you're trying to avoid pointing out that Olivers are (almost exclusively?) minors, presumably because that rules out Ezri.
I'm not trying to avoid anything. I'm merely pointing to a phenomenon of a typical last season character introduction. I'll grant that they tend to be kids. That said, a quick search suggests that there are a number of people who have categorized Ezri as a Cousin Oliver, even on this website.
 
I actually really like Ezri. She was fun and upbeat and had a dynamic that was different than the rest of the crew. On the other hand, I completely understand the complaints. It wasn't really Ezri that was bad, but that the writers were so excited to have a new character to play with that she got a disproportionate amount of screentime. In universe there are problems too. Trill re-associating with old flames was such a big deal, there was entire episode about how closely two of them were being watched, even though several lifetimes had passed. Ezri showed up at her old workplace and started fraternizing with her prior husband and a coworker she'd known even longer, but not much was brought up about it. It also brought back the Bashir/Quark loves Dax plotline which I think was best left alone.

Still a better addition than Vic tho.
 
I actually really like Ezri. She was fun and upbeat and had a dynamic that was different than the rest of the crew. On the other hand, I completely understand the complaints. It wasn't really Ezri that was bad, but that the writers were so excited to have a new character to play with that she got a disproportionate amount of screentime. In universe there are problems too. Trill re-associating with old flames was such a big deal, there was entire episode about how closely two of them were being watched, even though several lifetimes had passed. Ezri showed up at her old workplace and started fraternizing with her prior husband and a coworker she'd known even longer, but not much was brought up about it. It also brought back the Bashir/Quark loves Dax plotline which I think was best left alone.

Still a better addition than Vic tho.
I one hundred percent agree with you. She's not a bad character by any means, there's a lot of interesting drama, but she came to do too little, too late, all at a cost of sacrificing screentime of the main cast.

Vic Fontaine is one of the worst characters to ever appear on Star Trek.
 
I actually really like Ezri. She was fun and upbeat and had a dynamic that was different than the rest of the crew. On the other hand, I completely understand the complaints. It wasn't really Ezri that was bad, but that the writers were so excited to have a new character to play with that she got a disproportionate amount of screentime. In universe there are problems too. Trill re-associating with old flames was such a big deal, there was entire episode about how closely two of them were being watched, even though several lifetimes had passed. Ezri showed up at her old workplace and started fraternizing with her prior husband and a coworker she'd known even longer, but not much was brought up about it. It also brought back the Bashir/Quark loves Dax plotline which I think was best left alone.

Still a better addition than Vic tho.

Ezri didn't have any family on DS9 to lecture her about how bad reassociation was. And Worf didn't either, and he wasn't even a trill so they wouldn't have cared much. In any case, Ezri and Worf cooled it off pretty quickly once they were no longer stuck on that planet together.

Yes, the Ezri-Bashir relationship seemed pretty forced to me. (But at least Bashir wasn't hitting on one of his patients again!)
 
Yeah. And about as interesting as watching paint dry.
Not that bad actually.
And Jadzia-Worf was actually OK.

However, Star Trek has always had problems with relations. They often seems forced and mismatched.
 
A lot of the characters are mature adults, not the 18-25 year olds of enlisted people in the today's military. I'd expect relationships to be the rule rather than the exception. Not that the show should make relationships a central part of the show all the time.

I'm glad that DS9 did show the characters' families, at least a little bit. We got to see Ben Sisko's dad, Quark's mom, Bashir's parents, Ezri's mom. It makes the characters feel more complete.
 
I'm glad that DS9 did show the characters' families, at least a little bit. We got to see Ben Sisko's dad, Quark's mom, Bashir's parents, Ezri's mom. It makes the characters feel more complete.

This, very much so. Joseph Sisko added another facet to one of Trek's best developed characters: he wasn't just a father, he was a son, and one who had walked his own path just as he later encouraged Jake to. The plot of Ishka single-handedly turning Ferengi women from livestock to equals overnight was one of DS9's most ludicrous elements (women's suffrage took years of work by thousands of people), but that doesn't mean I saw her as an unworthy character, just badly used. And the Bashirs helped salvage a lead character who was foundering, giving him the chance that others (Chakotay, Kim, Mayweather) did not.
 
A lot of the characters are mature adults, not the 18-25 year olds of enlisted people in the today's military. I'd expect relationships to be the rule rather than the exception. Not that the show should make relationships a central part of the show all the time.
I expect them to be in relationships. I don't care to see it.
 
turning Ferengi women from livestock to equals overnight was one of DS9's most ludicrous elements (women's suffrage took years of work by thousands of people
"You see? We're nothing like you. We're better." -- Quark, son of Keldar. ;)
 
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