I cannot believe what they have done to Janeway in the VOY relaunch

[F. King Daniel]

Re: I cannot believe what they have done to Janeway in the VOY relaunc

I'd describe Before Dishonor as a big dumb action movie in book form. I enjoyed it.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Re: I cannot believe what they have done to Janeway in the VOY relaunc

That sums it up pretty well. I hated it with the burning passion of a thousand suns.
This is the book that finally put Peter David off my list. New Frontier had been weak the last few books. This book showed it wasn't just New Frontier.

 

[captcalhoun]

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i loved it.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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Far from PAD's best, but far from his worst as well.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

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Some of it may have something to do with the higher standards of TrekLit's modern era - had Before Dishonor been published in, say, the late nineties or thereabouts, it would probably stand out. But in the modern era, where the more over-the-top elements of Trek are emphasized less, something like a

Spoiler: Before Dishonor moment mention

Borg cube consuming Pluto

stands out as '...really? This is the finished product? They aren't going back and editing this part out?' kind of thing.

And it doesn't help that the three post-Nemesis books released for the twentieth aniversary, Resistance, Q&A, and Before Dishonor, were written at roughly the same time, so the characterization of the new characters didn't mesh that well with one another. Granted, it mainly affected the latter two, but there were some significant differences in the attitudes of two major players between the two books.

 

[C.E. Evans]

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I was more upset about what happened to Pluto than with Janeway in Before Dishonor.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: I cannot believe what they have done to Janeway in the VOY relaunc

I was more upset about what happened to Pluto than with Janeway in Before Dishonor.

How did you feel about Diana, in "V: The Series", ordering the destruction of Io?

How about what "2010" did to Jupiter?

What the "Cloverfield" monster (and the US army) did to Central Park and most of New York?

What David Mack did to Therin Park, Andor?

What JJ did to Vulcan?

 

[C.E. Evans]

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I was more upset about what happened to Pluto than with Janeway in Before Dishonor.

How did you feel about Diana, in "V: The Series", ordering the destruction of Io?

I don't watch that show, so it doesn't matter to me.

How about what "2010" did to Jupiter?

Felt it was a bit much.

What the "Cloverfield" monster (and the US army) did to Central Park and most of New York?

Didn't see that movie, so it doesn't matter to me.

What David Mack did to Therin Park, Andor?

I felt nothing at all.

What JJ did to Vulcan?

I felt nothing at all.

 

[Therin of Andor]

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I felt nothing at all.

So why the affection for Pluto?

 

[C.E. Evans]

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I felt nothing at all.

So why the affection for Pluto?

He's just a lonely little guy out there trying to hold on to what little dignity he has left. And then here comes PAD for the kill...

 

[Therin of Andor]

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He's just a lonely little guy out there trying to hold on to what little dignity he has left. And then here comes PAD for the kill...

Mercy killing.

I am reminded of Teri's revenge on Therin Park, but maybe I shouldn't go there.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

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Of course people are upset about Pluto! I mean, geez, the poor dog already has to sleep outside, despite Goofy getting a house of his own, now he has to deal with this?

...Wait...

 

[DimesDan]

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What David Mack did to Therin Park, Andor?

Of all the places that Mack destroyed in Destiny, of all the planets and ships and people, trust you to bring this up

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

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I just finished reading Kristen Beyer's book Full Circle. Just wonderful heartbreaking stuff. Chakotay was so lost after Janeway's death, like a sailboat crushed against the rocks in a hurricane. While the other Voyager crew members mourned their beloved former captain, Chakotay was ready to join her, dead on every level but the physical. Completely unable to let the woman he loved go. I dare anyone to read this book and call Chakotay "Chuckles".

 

[Therin of Andor]

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of all the planets and ships and people, trust you to bring this up

Well, TerriO hasn't been around for a while, so I'm hoping it was safe to try.

 

[Therin of Andor]

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I just finished reading Kristen Beyer's book Full Circle. Just wonderful heartbreaking stuff

I think I agree - and I'm only up to the end of the Prologue!

 

[DorkBoy [TM]]

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I was more annoyed at the terrible characterizations of the new TNG characters in Before Dishonor than at Janeway's death. (Or Pluto's.) Especially since KRAD had just started getting the new crew to mesh in his previous novel.

PD's spot-on characterizations of the TNG crew had always been one of his strong points. Granted, he couldn't have been expected to know the new characters as well (since the other novels were being written at the same time). But a little coordination among authors would have been nice, or at least some respect for the characters even if he'd gone a different direction with them.

After his treatment of them, most of them had to be written out of the series! Was that in the plan from the beginning? I can't imagine it would have been, in all the previous TNG relaunch novels they seemed to be trying to get the crew to gel. It's almost like after his mutiny wrecking ball they had to just scrap them and start over.

Janeway's death as almost an afterthought was just sort of lame.

I'd say read it if you want to but have low expectations. But don't miss Full Circle and Unworthy - great stuff. And I'm not really even a Voyager fan, I'm more of a TOS / TNG / DS9 guy.

Before Dishonor was very disappointing. Vendetta had been one of my favorites since it was first published, and I was so excited he was writing a followup. Peter David used to be my favorite Trek author too ... I'm still a fan but he's slipped a LOT in recent years.

 

[AuntKate]

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It's a shame that they didn't give Beyer a chance to work with the Voyager crew before PD messed with them.

 

[AuntKate]

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It's a shame that they didn't give Beyer a chance to work with the Voyager crew before PD messed with them.

 

[Defcon]

Re: I cannot believe what they have done to Janeway in the VOY relaunc

^Which part of the Voyager crew has Peter David "messed" with?

Janeway hasn't been part of the Voyager crew for quite some time at the point.

And for the millionth time: he wasn't the one deciding to kill of Janeway, so even if anyone else had written Before Dishonor the end result would have been the same (but we probably would have gotten a less enjoyable book).