How would you re-imagine the NX-01 Enterprise?
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I think in alot of ways it is fresh, it just isnt different especially on the outside. I thought the inside was great, really realistic (reminded me of Defiant, which apparently was the inspiration [Defiant-a-prise?], wish Defiant had been more like it) and bares alot of similar features to Stargates Prometheus and Daedelus.candida said:
I thought Sternbach didn't work on Enterprise ? On the basis, as I recall, that B&B wanted a fresh look, something different
The designers would never have been the problem with a fresh look. Even if they have worked with Trek for 10 years or are new to it they are designers and so are good at making stuff up!
If they had wanted a fresh new look then in all honesty B&B shouldnt have been involved seeming no matter what the design team come up with they are the ones who use it or ask for different.
I had a problem before Enterprise started, it was when the ship was unveiled, i knew then that they had made a mistake, not only ignoring the fans but they recycled a 24thC ship and basically just flipped the engines over.
I was expecting something DIFFERENT, something FRESH and NEW with INSPIRATION and above all, CREATIVITY.
Did we get that...?
Did we bollocks!
I was expecting something new, maybe a different layout to Jefferies modular design, but all we got was a recycled version of an akira.
I hated the design from the outset. I gave the show a chance, but it just didnt keep me interested in the slightest.
For one thing, they replaced Rick for a 'fresh look' but they kept on Bob Blackman and Mike Westmore and they say they wanted something fresh. If that was me and i wanted something fresh, i would either tell the designers what i want incorporated or replace everyone for that so called 'Fresh look' to a new series.
not only was i really annoyed at the design of the ship, but also the uniforms, Bob Blackmans sodding shoulder colour design, i mean, we had that in DS9/TNG Movies, Voyager and even a redesign that was the same damn concept but with altered styling, then he does Enterprise and we get shoulder designs, again, but just a litle different.
I mean seriously, what went on in that disign office at paramount;
Guy: "Here, tell you what, look at that poster of ship lineage"
Guy2: "What about it?"
Guy: "Well, were sitting here getting paid to design a ship, why dont we take that small looking warship one, flip those engines over and fuck off to the pub"
If i was to redesign the ship, i would depart almost completely from the classic Trek look, but not so much as to piss everyone off.
I would also design it, sort of like what they set out for in Ent initially, something thats not quite TOS but not too clunky and old, i would marry the two in the design somehow, not just copy and paste from a movie and tell the fans "This is what your getting, we dont care. just deal with it."
Also, i wouldnt make it so small, id make it a little larger than the bastardised Akiraprise.
When Ent premiered i was so annoyed i made a 3D sketch of a prequel ship that i would like to see, not too primitive looking but not too modern looking. I based it on an early Matt Jefferies sketch of the ship from the 60s.
Ill see if i can dig it out, its on a disc somewhere.
I was expecting something DIFFERENT, something FRESH and NEW with INSPIRATION and above all, CREATIVITY.
Did we get that...?
Did we bollocks!
I was expecting something new, maybe a different layout to Jefferies modular design, but all we got was a recycled version of an akira.
I hated the design from the outset. I gave the show a chance, but it just didnt keep me interested in the slightest.
For one thing, they replaced Rick for a 'fresh look' but they kept on Bob Blackman and Mike Westmore and they say they wanted something fresh. If that was me and i wanted something fresh, i would either tell the designers what i want incorporated or replace everyone for that so called 'Fresh look' to a new series.
not only was i really annoyed at the design of the ship, but also the uniforms, Bob Blackmans sodding shoulder colour design, i mean, we had that in DS9/TNG Movies, Voyager and even a redesign that was the same damn concept but with altered styling, then he does Enterprise and we get shoulder designs, again, but just a litle different.
I mean seriously, what went on in that disign office at paramount;
Guy: "Here, tell you what, look at that poster of ship lineage"
Guy2: "What about it?"
Guy: "Well, were sitting here getting paid to design a ship, why dont we take that small looking warship one, flip those engines over and fuck off to the pub"
If i was to redesign the ship, i would depart almost completely from the classic Trek look, but not so much as to piss everyone off.
I would also design it, sort of like what they set out for in Ent initially, something thats not quite TOS but not too clunky and old, i would marry the two in the design somehow, not just copy and paste from a movie and tell the fans "This is what your getting, we dont care. just deal with it."
Also, i wouldnt make it so small, id make it a little larger than the bastardised Akiraprise.
When Ent premiered i was so annoyed i made a 3D sketch of a prequel ship that i would like to see, not too primitive looking but not too modern looking. I based it on an early Matt Jefferies sketch of the ship from the 60s.
Ill see if i can dig it out, its on a disc somewhere.
Classic Fan, hope you find it I would like to see what you did.
The costumes were another point, they shouldnt have gone with the shoulder colours. If they wanted the Trek department colour scheme they should have done a patch of somesort with the colour and also distinguished department as a symbol or maybe have rank on it as well.
Maybe on the oposite arm to the Enterprise patch or on a collar (think of the Seaquest unifroms)
Other changes I would have made would be bigger shuttles (but loved the top docking port as well as the ports on the ship) along with bays big enough to take them. The shuttles were supposed to be the main transport for both personel and cargo as the didnt trust the transporter.
Also they should have had projectile weapons or the EM ones from the pilot alot longer, Phase pistols seemed to conveniant. They were introduced way too quickly and it was like "hey new toys what do these do" the crew were new but they would have been shown how to use new equipment earlier, especially Archer (and not just Reed)
The costumes were another point, they shouldnt have gone with the shoulder colours. If they wanted the Trek department colour scheme they should have done a patch of somesort with the colour and also distinguished department as a symbol or maybe have rank on it as well.
Maybe on the oposite arm to the Enterprise patch or on a collar (think of the Seaquest unifroms)
Other changes I would have made would be bigger shuttles (but loved the top docking port as well as the ports on the ship) along with bays big enough to take them. The shuttles were supposed to be the main transport for both personel and cargo as the didnt trust the transporter.
Also they should have had projectile weapons or the EM ones from the pilot alot longer, Phase pistols seemed to conveniant. They were introduced way too quickly and it was like "hey new toys what do these do" the crew were new but they would have been shown how to use new equipment earlier, especially Archer (and not just Reed)
This really bugged as well. I liked the EM pistols would have preferred they kept them.
It didn't make any sense to introduce something that fall intents was the same everything else we've already seen.
Sharr
Personally, I like the basic shape of the Conestoga, re-detailed somewhat like Icy_Penguigo's concept ship. I would reshape the front prow slightly to suggest more of the bud of a future sphere. I particularly like the nacelle details, strut supports, and overall clean look of that ship. Looks very pre-TOS to me. I would have called the ship either Phoenix or Frontier or (gasp) Horizon. Something optimistic, something Star Trek, but something not 'Enterprise.'
For a mental excercise, (and I might do a rudimentary version myself if I can find time) someone should pick a scene from Enterprise, maybe even a scene from the premiere episode or another key 'historic' moment, and re-do the effects with a model reminiscent of the Conestoga, editing that in with the interior shots from Enterprise. Even without a studio budget, it would be interesting to see what it looked and felt like.
For a mental excercise, (and I might do a rudimentary version myself if I can find time) someone should pick a scene from Enterprise, maybe even a scene from the premiere episode or another key 'historic' moment, and re-do the effects with a model reminiscent of the Conestoga, editing that in with the interior shots from Enterprise. Even without a studio budget, it would be interesting to see what it looked and felt like.
I really didnt have a problem with the detailing though i personelaly would of made it more primative my biggest qualm was from that aft pod which pushed its Akira ness over the edge (aside from unpleasnt characters and plot lines the final season and xindi arc were good though
anyway back on subject me and my brother didnt care for it so we made our own varients...i duno how to upload pictures on this site so ill put it in my myspace page for a little while http://www.myspace.com/17077907
anyway back on subject me and my brother didnt care for it so we made our own varients...i duno how to upload pictures on this site so ill put it in my myspace page for a little while http://www.myspace.com/17077907
I also think the Conestoga would have been better but I hated the entire first 3 seasons of the show to care. I did think the last season was good (except for the finale)
And now for something completely different...
I was looking through my computer and found these images. I completely forgot I did them about four years ago (in paint, no less).
I was bored one night and completely disgusted with the way Enterprise looked. I found these two images online, and they served as my inspiration:
One is Sternbach's Marshall Class from the Spacefight Chronology. I'm not entirely sure where the other came from, but I'm sure someone will recognize it. I loved the basic aesthetics they went for, particularly the basic configuration of the Marshall.
My basic take was that a mid-22nd century ship should suggest the evolutionary lineage started by the Daedulus, but not quite. Basically, a secondary hull and engines with the hint of a primary hull evolving from it. The 'primary hull' is nothing but a big lifeboat housing the bridge and primary crew quarters. The engines are close to the hull, supported by multiple strut braces as if 'strapped on,' because the ship is the first to use matter/antimatter reactions, and engineers experienced a number of problems with nacelles shearing off test vehicles. Radiation dangers are minimized by plating and by keeping main work areas away from the engines, however the crew of this ship is well aware that they are sitting on the edge of a radiation disaster. It's just part of the job. I retained the idea of a 'plasma accelerator' for the warp drive as on NX-01, however mine is located in the engines themselves. As you can see in the cross section, the fusion systems are still important in case the experimental antimatter reactor were to fail, and could operate the warp drive at limited efficiency and power if needed. Also like the NX, there are two sets of impulse engines, two on the fuselage and two on the aft nacelle caps. Note also the crudely drawn field probes on the tips of the warp nacelles.
There's no obvious deflector dish because, like the Daedalus, it has an enclosed sensor and deflector package, as well as various sensor packages distributed across the ship that are not centralized as on later ships. Offensive weapons are fusion torpedoes, with pulse cannons as secondary and primarily defensive weapons. Two main tandem pulse turrets would have extended from either side of the bridge module, each capable of covering almost their entire side. I envisioned a gunner in each turret... nothing too Star Wars, but definitely a guy at a console at least. There are no shields, only hull armor, and I retained a drop bay. Shuttlecraft would be larger, more utilitarian versions of the NX-01's shuttlepods, designed for larger capacity, in shape resembling the aerodynaic craft that Matt Jefferies designed for the aborted Phase II series. There would have been absolutely NO transporter aboard, no photon torpedoes, and no phasers.
Internally, the bridge would have strongly resembled a submarine interior, with no viewscreen and large windows (which aren't really reflected on the exterior). The reactor room would have been similar to the NX's, but much dingier. Crew quarters would have been windowless, and everyone except the Captain would have had at least one roommate. Also, as you can see in the cross section, there are extensive stores at the aft end of the main fuselage near the drop bay for the ship's 80 crew.
I called her Yorktown class because Roddenberry originally called the Enterprise Yorktown, and it seemed somehow apropos while still Trekkish. I originally wanted to call it the Enterprise, but later dropped that idea. Also, the number is 230 because at the time I was too lazy to edit it out.
I never got around to fully realizing this past the bashed concept stage, but now I'm thinking maybe I should... I hate the size I originally and absent-mindedly scaled it to, which would almost make it as long as the 1701. I would like to rescale it to slightly longer than the length of one of 1701's engines.
I was looking through my computer and found these images. I completely forgot I did them about four years ago (in paint, no less).
I was bored one night and completely disgusted with the way Enterprise looked. I found these two images online, and they served as my inspiration:
One is Sternbach's Marshall Class from the Spacefight Chronology. I'm not entirely sure where the other came from, but I'm sure someone will recognize it. I loved the basic aesthetics they went for, particularly the basic configuration of the Marshall.
My basic take was that a mid-22nd century ship should suggest the evolutionary lineage started by the Daedulus, but not quite. Basically, a secondary hull and engines with the hint of a primary hull evolving from it. The 'primary hull' is nothing but a big lifeboat housing the bridge and primary crew quarters. The engines are close to the hull, supported by multiple strut braces as if 'strapped on,' because the ship is the first to use matter/antimatter reactions, and engineers experienced a number of problems with nacelles shearing off test vehicles. Radiation dangers are minimized by plating and by keeping main work areas away from the engines, however the crew of this ship is well aware that they are sitting on the edge of a radiation disaster. It's just part of the job. I retained the idea of a 'plasma accelerator' for the warp drive as on NX-01, however mine is located in the engines themselves. As you can see in the cross section, the fusion systems are still important in case the experimental antimatter reactor were to fail, and could operate the warp drive at limited efficiency and power if needed. Also like the NX, there are two sets of impulse engines, two on the fuselage and two on the aft nacelle caps. Note also the crudely drawn field probes on the tips of the warp nacelles.
There's no obvious deflector dish because, like the Daedalus, it has an enclosed sensor and deflector package, as well as various sensor packages distributed across the ship that are not centralized as on later ships. Offensive weapons are fusion torpedoes, with pulse cannons as secondary and primarily defensive weapons. Two main tandem pulse turrets would have extended from either side of the bridge module, each capable of covering almost their entire side. I envisioned a gunner in each turret... nothing too Star Wars, but definitely a guy at a console at least. There are no shields, only hull armor, and I retained a drop bay. Shuttlecraft would be larger, more utilitarian versions of the NX-01's shuttlepods, designed for larger capacity, in shape resembling the aerodynaic craft that Matt Jefferies designed for the aborted Phase II series. There would have been absolutely NO transporter aboard, no photon torpedoes, and no phasers.
Internally, the bridge would have strongly resembled a submarine interior, with no viewscreen and large windows (which aren't really reflected on the exterior). The reactor room would have been similar to the NX's, but much dingier. Crew quarters would have been windowless, and everyone except the Captain would have had at least one roommate. Also, as you can see in the cross section, there are extensive stores at the aft end of the main fuselage near the drop bay for the ship's 80 crew.
I called her Yorktown class because Roddenberry originally called the Enterprise Yorktown, and it seemed somehow apropos while still Trekkish. I originally wanted to call it the Enterprise, but later dropped that idea. Also, the number is 230 because at the time I was too lazy to edit it out.
I never got around to fully realizing this past the bashed concept stage, but now I'm thinking maybe I should... I hate the size I originally and absent-mindedly scaled it to, which would almost make it as long as the 1701. I would like to rescale it to slightly longer than the length of one of 1701's engines.
Praetor said:
Enterprise looked. I found these two images online, and they served as my inspiration:
Firefly meets Trek. :thumbsup:
Praetor,
Looks somewhat like the San Francisco class frigates on Masao Okazaki's "Starfleet Museum"...
http://www.starfleet-museum.org/sanfrancisco.htm
Looks somewhat like the San Francisco class frigates on Masao Okazaki's "Starfleet Museum"...
http://www.starfleet-museum.org/sanfrancisco.htm
This is what I would do.
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http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/other/enterprise-tvguide-oblique.jpg
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Okay, let's take another look at the TAS "Time Trap" version of the Bonaventure:
http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=12&pos=43
Now, compare it to Masao Okazaki's Hyperion-class starship in his "Starfleet Museum"
http://www.starfleet-museum.org/hyperion.htm
Note the basic similarities. What is so wrong with this design? (No offense to Ptrope; your idea is an eye catcher as well)
Here's an idea: instead of proposing that "Star Trek: Enterprise" should've been "Star Trek: Horizon", how about "Star Trek: Bonaventure"?
http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=12&pos=43
Now, compare it to Masao Okazaki's Hyperion-class starship in his "Starfleet Museum"
http://www.starfleet-museum.org/hyperion.htm
Note the basic similarities. What is so wrong with this design? (No offense to Ptrope; your idea is an eye catcher as well)
Here's an idea: instead of proposing that "Star Trek: Enterprise" should've been "Star Trek: Horizon", how about "Star Trek: Bonaventure"?
That was the point though, I liked the original ship from the show.
The Marshall-class is one of several really good designs that came out of the "Chronology."
I also did a ship, waaaay back when I was in high school (I graduated in '84, putting things into perspective!) which was an upgrade of the Sawyer-class scout, one of the other good designs in that book.
Basically, I gave the Sawyer a pair of "vulcan shuttle" nacelles and an underslung cargo bay (somewhat reminiscent of what we later see on the Serenity, interestingly enough!). I laid out a full interior, too. I've actually been toying around with the idea of doing a 3D version of my "modified Sawyer-class." In the fiction, it was an obsolete ship that was purchased and heavily retrofitted into a fairly modern, reasonably-well-armed scout/transport, with a crew of 15, by a recently-retired Starfleet officer. The idea would be that the Captain wasn't... ENTIRELY retired. In fact, I was thinking about something more along the lines of a "Section 31" type operation, where he was REALLY still in the service, but was supposed to have the ability to operate outside the rules, and (as a freighter/scout rather than a military vessel) the ship could go places and do things an "official" vessel couldn't.
I'm becoming more and more inclined to give this approach a shot. With my new, much more powerful computer, I'm anxious to give it a real test-drive!
I also did a ship, waaaay back when I was in high school (I graduated in '84, putting things into perspective!) which was an upgrade of the Sawyer-class scout, one of the other good designs in that book.
Basically, I gave the Sawyer a pair of "vulcan shuttle" nacelles and an underslung cargo bay (somewhat reminiscent of what we later see on the Serenity, interestingly enough!). I laid out a full interior, too. I've actually been toying around with the idea of doing a 3D version of my "modified Sawyer-class." In the fiction, it was an obsolete ship that was purchased and heavily retrofitted into a fairly modern, reasonably-well-armed scout/transport, with a crew of 15, by a recently-retired Starfleet officer. The idea would be that the Captain wasn't... ENTIRELY retired. In fact, I was thinking about something more along the lines of a "Section 31" type operation, where he was REALLY still in the service, but was supposed to have the ability to operate outside the rules, and (as a freighter/scout rather than a military vessel) the ship could go places and do things an "official" vessel couldn't.
I'm becoming more and more inclined to give this approach a shot. With my new, much more powerful computer, I'm anxious to give it a real test-drive!
My only problem with this is that it's established that the Bonaventure is "the FEDERATION'S first warp drive vessel." So this series would then need to be established after the founding of the Federation, it seems to me.
Again, all this makes perfect sense... if you assume that "warp drive" is not the term used to describe ALL faster-than-light propulsion, but is only the term used to describe one particular form of FTL travel.
This is not me just making stuff up. We know, from official, canon dialog, that some time between the time of Vina's survey ship crashing on Talos and the arrival of Pike's Enterprise on Talos, "You wont' believe how fast you can get back to Earth. Why, the time barrier's been broken! Our new ships can...."
So there's some MASSIVE improvement in FTL speeds that occurs within some forty-five years of the arrival of Enterprise at Talos.
We know that the "Time Trap" Bonaventure doesn't look tremendously different from the 1701, just a lot more awkward. It's not a century or two earlier... but it could easily pass for a ship from, say, 45 years before the Constitution-class.
Unless you toss out both "The Time Trap" and, much more significantly, "The Cage" (and "The Menagerie" of course!), you have to accept that the Bonaventure (1) should be the first Federation warp-drive ship, (2) should NOT be the first Federation faster-than-light ship, and (3) must have been constructed and launched after the founding of the Federation.
Personally, I'd be fine with the Bonaventure being the ship we saw in last year's "Ships of the Line" calendar... except for that pesky mirrored-texture problem, it's a near-perfect model, IMHO.
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