How would a society with no money work?

[Ithekro]

Wha?! A society with no monkey?!
Are ye' daft?!

We couldna hae no society wi'out monkeys! Ho' else can we prove tha' we were all descended from our fane, primate friends? Who else are we gonna gie our 'nanners to 'en 'e' gets 'ungry?

Oh....wait....you said money.

------nevah mind.

Somehow the only responce i can think of to that is "Left turn, Clyde".

 

[martok2112]

Wha?! A society with no monkey?!
Are ye' daft?!

We couldna hae no society wi'out monkeys! Ho' else can we prove tha' we were all descended from our fane, primate friends? Who else are we gonna gie our 'nanners to 'en 'e' gets 'ungry?

Oh....wait....you said money.

------nevah mind.

Somehow the only responce i can think of to that is "Left turn, Clyde".

 

[T'Girl]

There might be a point to this. Some characters still compare real food to replicated food, implying that for a long time, a lot of people were still used to eating real food.

We know from a story that Mile O'Brien grew up in a home with no replicator. From various stories and anecdotes, in the 24th century replicator ownership seems to be about fifty-fifty.

Can you have a "social revolution" where a high percentage of the populace doesn't have the very device that supposedly causes said "revolution?"

Once replicator use becomes real common after a century or so, most humans may have eaten only replicated food by then and wouldn't care.

Replicators make a lot of sense in a enclosed environment like a starship, however on a planet there would be more options for people on where to acquire food and items.

So, even in planetary homes where a replicator was present, would home's food solely come from this device? Or would the people also obtain food other sources, to be consumed in the home?

Ben Sisko obviously know how to make food. Will Riker loves to cook.

Imagine: your basic needs for food, clothing, shelter, education, health, and entertainment are guaranteed.

Entertainment is a "basic need?"

[Guarantees] I can see where one of those would be that all humans would be decently fed, clothed and receive free and quality healthcare.

I don't imagine this being for "all," but instead for those who have no other options, someone who has encountered economic hard times. Society would catch them before they hit rock bottom, then get them back on their feet..

Some would interpret it as planetwide welfare, but it could also be seen as the logical result of an advanced, humanitarian government with an over abundance of resources.

Planetwide welfare would also be interpreted as an example of a system where people couldn't support themselves without external assistance or where there is a collapsing economic system.

Now with a healthy economic model, welfare is un-necessary for the general population, only for a limited number of individuals.

And then Tom Paris ups the ante by stating humans did away with money in the 22nd century no less.

And this would be the same Tom Paris who said "in warp flight no left or right," correct?

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

Can you have a "social revolution" where a high percentage of the populace doesn't have the very device that supposedly causes said "revolution?"

That reminds me of a book I read once when I was a kid. In it, a device very much like a replicator (although it can only duplicate whatever is fed into it, it can't create new things) is invented. Immediately society becomes a brutal slave system - those who have the 'duplicators' are the slave masters over those who don't.

Entertainment is a "basic need?"

In a sense, yes it is, actually. Without it, people would die of boredom. Some form of entertainment - mental stimulation, if you will - is vital for human survival. (Don't believe me? Read Stephen King's "The Jaunt.")

 

[tharpdevenport]

All this talk about material wants and needs has reminded me of a funny scene I hadn't noticed until a youtube compilation of Trek mistakes pointed it out:

In TNG's[/b] "The Chase", Picar'ds friend Galen gives him this rare set of figures inside figures from a species called the Kurlans, which died out thousands of years ago. Picard is so ennamored by it and amazed to find one intact, to the point that when he even opens it, it's like he just achived some kind of sexual act hands free.

CUT TO:

Generations, and among the wreckage Picard is sifting threw, he picks that set up from "The Chase" and tosses it behind him like it was garbage, opting for a book.

 

[T'Girl]

It's been a while, but doesn't Picard simply place the artifact on the floor, and not "toss it?"

IIRC, in the movie novelization the Enterprise saucer is going to be removed, so if the civilization on the inner world even get there centuries later, they won't find the wreckage. Picard took the book because he wanted it with him, but would have recovered all of his bric a brac later.

I wonder what happen to Livington?

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[tharpdevenport]

Oh, you're right, it was the chair he tossed, but he still not only put it down like it was a piece of junk, he picked it up and looked at it like, [i[what the fuck is this?[/i], and moved on. I guess he was done with that cow.

 

[Lance]

RedLetterMedia has got a lot to answer for.

Which doesn't necessarily make the criticism invalid, admittedly.

 

[Tulin]

Also, their aren't toilets or sewers in the future hux. It's teleported out and reconstituted. Trash is probably treated the same way.

Directly from your GI tract?

Wow - I ACTUALLY remember having this VERY conversation with friends in high school, back in 1985!

We postulated that given enough time and evolution, the human anus would eventually close up!


I WISH I had the time to have these conversations today!

Ahhh.....adulthood!

 

[hux]

We postulated that given enough time and evolution, the human anus would eventually close up

Anal sex?

That's not an offer by the way, I'm just suggesting reasons for the aperture to maintain a healthy non-closed future.

 

[T'Girl]

Anal sex?

Not to be too graphic, but the anus does have purposes other than just being a aperture to excrete waste.

In addition to sexual activity, there's the occasional venting of methane.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Also, their aren't toilets or sewers in the future hux. It's teleported out and reconstituted. Trash is probably treated the same way.

Directly from your GI tract?

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIsauNJ392o[/yt]

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

Anal sex?

Not to be too graphic, but the anus does have purposes other than just being a aperture to excrete waste.

In addition to sexual activity, there's the occasional venting of methane.

I know I'm just being pedantic here and my comment does not change the point you are making, but there are quite a number of gases that were excrete rather than just methane. In fact not everybody does produce methane at all.

When somebody lights their farts it is actually hydrogen that is combusting not methane. Also, odours are usually due to hydrogen-sulphide or other sulphur based compounds in the gas.

 

[PicardSpeedo]

Anal sex?

Not to be too graphic, but the anus does have purposes other than just being a aperture to excrete waste.

In addition to sexual activity, there's the occasional venting of methane.

I know I'm just being pedantic here and my comment does not change the point you are making, but there are quite a number of gases that were excrete rather than just methane. In fact not everybody does produce methane at all.

When somebody lights their farts it is actually hydrogen that is combusting not methane. Also, odours are usually due to hydrogen-sulphide or other sulphur based compounds in the gas.

I can only imagine that defecation and urination must be accomplished with assistance from a transporter aboard starships - the sheer number of adapters, elaborate plumbing systems, and user interfaces (in other words, toilets) required to accommodate a diverse range of species from both known and unknown worlds would otherwise be overwhelming and likely unmanageable. Plus, transporter technology is compatible with the replicator system, which we know from the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual to turn flushed waste into Bolian soufflé and Riker's cheese steak by way of the matter refuse tanks - it makes way more sense that the waste gets beamed there instead of moving through a plumbing system the size of a Sovereign-class battlecruiser.

 

[T'Girl]

... it makes way more sense that the waste gets beamed there instead of moving through a plumbing system the size of a Sovereign-class battlecruiser.

I would imagine that the crew (and their guests) preform their require biological function into a fairly recognizable sanitation fixture, within that the material is dematerialized and the matter stream travels through a conduit to the deck holding the ship's replicator, water is stripped of all organic substances and sent to a holding tank, all organics are stored for future use. Non-organics are stored separately.

Some might find that disgusting, but if everything is sterile it wouldn't bother me personally.

 

[PicardSpeedo]

... it makes way more sense that the waste gets beamed there instead of moving through a plumbing system the size of a Sovereign-class battlecruiser.

I would imagine that the crew (and their guests) preform their require biological function into a fairly recognizable sanitation fixture, within that the material is dematerialized and the matter stream travels through a conduit to the deck holding the ship's replicator, water is stripped of all organic substances and sent to a holding tank, all organics are stored for future use. Non-organics are stored separately.

Some might find that disgusting, but if everything is sterile it wouldn't bother me personally.

I'm sorry, but I don't know that I could overcome the mental hurdle of knowing that the beef stew that I'm eating today in Ten Forward might have been Worf's grunting and screaming diarrhea session in his quarters yesterday.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I'm used to seeing threads go off topic, but this it is really starting to to down the toilet....

But seriously, I agree with T'Girl on this; I expect the majority of the waste is recycled.

 

[PicardSpeedo]

I'm used to seeing threads go off topic, but this it is really starting to to down the toilet....

But seriously, I agree with T'Girl on this; I expect the majority of the waste is recycled.

To be fair, a society with no money would need to consider such concepts as basic sanitation and infrastructure.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I'm used to seeing threads go off topic, but this it is really starting to to down the toilet....

But seriously, I agree with T'Girl on this; I expect the majority of the waste is recycled.

To be fair, a society with no money would need to consider such concepts as basic sanitation and infrastructure.

Yes, it was an opportunistic excuse on my part to make a terrible pun. I really could not have let it go to waste (this one is actually unintentional, but I'm taking it anyway ).

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Puns? What puns? Somebody say puns? Reporting for dooty!