Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by ThatsMrCaptaintoyou, Apr 8, 2021.
So he was a hornblower?
Kirks career path.
Kirk was born in the morning, Kirk was promoted to captain in the afternoon.
Jeffrey Hunter had just turned 38 when they shot the 1st pilot, and we have no idea how old Pike was supposed to be in that show. If Hunter's age, not much older than Kirk, and we don't know how long he's been a captain. And, to be fair, the only other starship captain we see on the show is Tracey, who was described as an older man as far back at the 2nd pilot version of "The Omega Glory" script.
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Exactly. He was an awesome badass. No other explanation needed
That would actually mean that he made Captain slightly younger, since we know that Kirk is 34 years old at the time of "The Deadly Years." So if that's Year 3 of the 5YM, that would mean that Kirk made Captain at age 31 at minimum.
The boogie woogie bugle boy of company B of hornblowers.
Presumably lots of "original thinking"
He's supposed to be the greatest starship captain of all time, of course he would get promoted fast.
Riker is also an exceptional officer in universe and was FO on the flagship. I would imagine that's a pretty rare thing in Starfleet but obviously the TV shows are going to be about the cream of the crop.
He's never accused of being that during TOS, though. Had he made his reputation before getting the promotion to Captain, one would think we'd hear about it.
The only one to ever consider Kirk special among peers is the lunatic Garth of Izar. Then again, why not grasp at that straw? It's quite possible Kirk did good in the Klingon war in his youth and got a career boost from it. And not all that unlikely that Starfleet in general would look back at the conflict with embarrassment and not give much praise to those involved.
Then again, Riker wasn't even top of his class (although being eighth might still place him in a very small elite, unless he, too, attended a "class of 78").
Riker is the odd man out on the Federation Flagship where Starfleet would have extra motivation to gather all the propaganda pieces: the First Klingon, the First Android, the Ambassador's Daughter... It's a show about a special ship, after all.
TOS is not. The people aboard that ship are random Joes doing their jobs, plus one Vulcan runaway who's sort of famous in his own obscure circles. Nobody in Starfleet thinks highly of Scotty, or Sulu, or Uhura, or McCoy, although some of them build up a reputation later on. It's always "Aaah, a starship!" rather than "Oooh, the Enterprise!" And the one and only time we get praise specific to the heroes, it has to be pulled out of Kirk with pliers in "Immunity Syndrome" when he has to keep up the morale while everybody is slowly dying.
Picard may have been a hero and a propaganda piece and therefore been given Tom Halloway's ship and the permission to handpick a crew as long as he picked celebrities. Kirk quite probably was a celebrity, and he chose his pals Mitchell and apparently also McCoy, but those weren't celebrities that we'd know of, and the end result wasn't a famed crew...
...Although DSC would now have us believe that the ship herself was famed, for having been commanded by two of Starfleet's Most Decorated previously. We have yet to get the full dirt on that: did Decker make that list because the Constellation was equally famous, or did the Constellation become famous because of Decker, or is fame something extra specific to the Enterprise rather than something closely related to the mission profile of the Constitution class?
He certainly didn't become Captain as depicted in the JJ films!!!!
Doesn't sound too off to me - at least, not as bad as those that try to set No Man *before* the 5YM, and give it a small makeover and crew change up before its true launching.
Personally, I like imagining an entire unseen Season of adventures with Kelso, Mitchell, Piper and the rest, with that episode as the hugely impactful Season Finale, explaining the differences and cast changes as post-season retooling. Before the guidelines issues, I was hoping a fanfilm outfit would tackle the time period.
Here's a link to my take on the whole thing, if anyone is interested. Old timers here at the boards have seen this before.
How did Pike become Captain so fast?
Since we have no idea how old Pike is, I'm not sure that question can be answered.
Hunter was 37. It seems like Gene wanted a younger man leading the crew.
AFAIK, it was Hunter's idea to not continue playing Pike. Gene wanted to keep him.
I think Grant was referring to Pike/Hunter being young not Shatner being younger than Hunter.
According to Mendez, about Kirk's age.
Which makes him one very young Captain.
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