How Close We Are In Time to ENT

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by uttamattamakin, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:11 PM.

  1. uttamattamakin

    uttamattamakin Cadet Newbie

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    I have been thinking about how close we are in time to Enterprise NX-01's purported launch date in 2150's. Think about this. IF someone now alive lives until 2050 or latter. Their will be people born, whom they will know, who will live to see that year.

    We are now only ONE degree of separation from possibly, hopefully, knowing people who will travel at high warp.
     
  2. XCV330

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    Problem is, if we're in STar Trek's timeline we might have already watched the first DY ships launch, the Eugenics wars and we'd have 600,000,000 dead to look forward to in a few decades time, plus the post-atomic horrors. I think the Bell Riots should be going on just about now.

    but on the good news, there's a lot of cool stuff happening now that might well bring us into a REAL space age.
    I don't need to get to Alpha Centauri in 100 years, but I would like to see the human race start to move out into the solar system.
     
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    That's one of the things I'd hoped to see in my lifetime - a real advancement in space exploration.
     
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  4. XCV330

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    CrewDragon first flight is scheduled for March 2. Boeing Starliner sometime in April. :)
     
  5. uttamattamakin

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    The Bell riots of 2024 lead to the US expanding a social welfare state that will effectively eliminate poverty here. IRL we have politicians on both sides who argue for various methods of doing just that. That may be the one thing from Trek we can do.

    At least we got smart phone like devices hundreds of years sooner.

    I'd love to see us have a craft with the power to change the direction of its orbit from equatorial to polar or to go from LEO to Lunar to Earth Moon Lagrange points on demand.
     
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  6. at Quark's

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    That only one degree of separation is a nice idea, yes. On the other hand, one degree of separation would still be just about possible with the time of Napoleon as well, if I were 110 now and knew someone in my childhood who was then of that age… still, that time feels a long, long way removed now.

    Also I agree that while the Trek era would seem fun to live in, the time between now and then seems a bit less so. Though I suppose that in the 90 years between Cochrane's first flight and the Enterprise era the world gradually gets better and better.

    I'd rather just witness the Enterprise era myself :)
     
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  7. uttamattamakin

    uttamattamakin Cadet Newbie

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    Really makes you think about how and why things from back them Impact us now AND how what we choose to do with the world now can determine if we ever get out of low Earth orbit.

    In the world of Trek... we had certainly landed people on Mars by now after all.

    On the other hand, there are serious scientist looking into the work ability of Warp drive. So we may see IRL an interstellar mission manned or unmanned in our time.
     
  8. Timo

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    Well, there were serious scientists looking deep into star travel a thousand years ago. We might still be in for a long wait.

    Why wait for 2150 specifically? Wouldn't 2063 be more interesting overall, with the first warp sortie, the first official alien contact, the first time Earthlings learn there's a source for cool gadgets greater in scope than amazon.com?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  9. Tenacity

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    Another five some years.

    It was a social welfare system that create the Sanctuary Districts in the first place. Shelter and food. The Sanctuary Districts and the subsequent Bell Riots were cause by government "services," and not the lack of them.

    SISKO:
    What we want is to get out from behind these walls,
    to stop having to depend on handouts.
     
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    Spoilers: We're in the darkest timeline. It ain't gonna happen.
     
  11. Tenacity

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    We're definitely not in the timeline where the space program continued at the pace (and with the promise) of the 1960's.

    But there are bad things too, that aren't a part of our timeline.
     
  12. Stoo

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    The sanctuary districts were an inadequate response to social and economic problems - pile all the poor people into the bad end of town and forget about 'em. Therefore, still a lack of services.
     
  13. Herbert

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    I suppose this thread is some kind of "hopeful future thing" for our reality? Is that the intent of the discussion? Do we believe we are ever going to attain the Star Trek universe type of existence that we've seen on television over the last several decades? I don't think there's any chance in hell of that happening. Not at our current state of evolution. There are still way too many things that we allow to divide us as a species. We won't ever have Star Trek type of utopia (if you believe it to be a utopia) until we mature enough to leave all this petty bickering behind and what with humans being humans.... well..............don't see it happening, at least not for a long long time, if ever.
     
  14. XCV330

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    I do. Maybe not with FTL, or teleporters, and I'm not sure our species will ever meet another sentient species out there, but technology DOES improve lives, and we not only should move out into the universe, if we're to survive our own blunders, we have to.

    If we stay at home on this rock, cooped up and trying to eek out a living off what the sun land and sea will give us, the future generations might eek out a kind of stagnant penitent existence, maybe keep it going for centuries, but won't wipe out the ghost in the machine, the not so better angels of our nature. If we keep going, move on, we can keep one step ahead of it, and THEN we can improve.

    I think its a stark choice, stay and eventually die out or get out there and thrive. And I think the next century or two are where the most critical choices our species will ever make have to be decided.
     
  15. Tenacity

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    I don't agree, and here's why.

    If the idea was to feed the poor, the sanctuary districts did this, we saw it. If the idea was to house the homeless, the sanctuary districts did this. if the idea was to separate the homeless from gang violence, the sanctuary districts did seem to be trying. There was actual job placement until there was a economic down turn, which would have effect people outside the sanctuary districts too, and wasn't something deliberately aimed at the sanctuary districts residents.

    At the time of the episode, there were services being provided. Food, shelter, electrical power, water, and access to internet. it's a assumption but likely also sanitation and medical services.

    When the economy improved (maybe) job placement would return. I very much doubt the people of San Fransisco actively wanted to have the people in the sanctuary to be unemployed. They certainly (most likely) would have loved to stop paying for the sanctuary.
    There was no indication in the episode that simply being poor would result in being placed in a sanctuary.
     
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  16. Herbert

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    Technology can and does improve lives. It can also have the opposite effect. I also question the wisdom of humanity to use that technology safely and appropriately. The tech is moving a lot faster than our ability to control and regulate it. I'm not going to go all "end of the world scenarios" here but I am starting to see the appeal of less tech instead of more. Kinda like Dr Sevrin but without the insanity :D