For what? For flying from L.A. to Paris? Yes. Earth to Vulcan? Probably.
For encountering any conceivable unknown for decades at a time? How much space do you need for that?
Nobody needs that.
How big was the Enterprise?
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For what? For flying from L.A. to Paris? Yes. Earth to Vulcan? Probably.
For encountering any conceivable unknown for decades at a time? How much space do you need for that?
Nobody needs that.
Firstly, the Scalosians opened all the doors of the Enterprise, including the turbolift doors, so that they could move freely throughout the ship without waiting for the relatively slow doors and turbolifts to activate. I followed the bridge scene in Wink..., and after Kirk in accelerated, he leaves off the bridge by going into the turbolift and moves toward its port side followed by a slight clunk noise. To me, this suggests a trapdoor in the floor of the turbolift, and if you combine the rocket boot scene in the turbolift shaft from STV:TFF, there should be ladder access up/down the turbolift shaft even in the TOS era. I also believe there is a trapdoor in the ceiling of the turbolift in all eras (as scene in TNG), too. When Khan locks all the exits off the bridge, he not only locked the turbolift door, but just in case they somehow force open that door to get to trapdoor, he also locked the trapdoor(s), too.
I'm not discounting a maintenance access behind the bridge consoles (probably accessed by an "environmental engineering personnel only" ladder from below
), but this is never suggested on screen, rather we see all maintenance and repair of bridge consoles from the front as seen in WNMHGB, BOT and WMFA.YMMV
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Modern US super carriers average 1100 feet long, and have since the 1970s to my knowledge. Some were around 1080 or so. The Gerald Ford currently tops out at 1106 ft, so not much change.
Besides length, overall mass might show up in charts for an example of what they were going for.
At some point the 947 foot length also made it's way into an onscreen chart, percolating from possible backstage discussion.
Keep in mind that a Galaxy class was supposed to be a colony. Furthermore warp drive was at plateau for technology - meaning that few if any changes to the nature of warp hadn't occurred.
Which means that longer and longer missions were required just to get to new space. New space may be defined as space 'Where No Man Has Gone Before '. ;^DDD
For some strange reason. At the point in time of TNG it probably took years at high warp just to get out "there". So, children would be required.
This means that the Ambassador class probably prototyped the whole idea. Meaning that the Probert Enterprise-C, is the correct version.
Which means that longer and longer missions were required just to get to new space. New space may be defined as space 'Where No Man Has Gone Before '. ;^DDD
For some strange reason. At the point in time of TNG it probably took years at high warp just to get out "there". So, children would be required.
This means that the Ambassador class probably prototyped the whole idea. Meaning that the Probert Enterprise-C, is the correct version.
Firstly, the Scalosians opened all the doors of the Enterprise, including the turbolift doors, so that they could move freely throughout the ship without waiting for the relatively slow doors and turbolifts to activate. I followed the bridge scene in Wink..., and after Kirk in accelerated, he leaves off the bridge by going into the turbolift and moves toward its port side followed by a slight clunk noise. To me, this suggests a trapdoor in the floor of the turbolift, and if you combine the rocket boot scene in the turbolift shaft from STV:TFF, there should be ladder access up/down the turbolift shaft even in the TOS era. I also believe there is a trapdoor in the ceiling of the turbolift in all eras (as scene in TNG), too. When Khan locks all the exits off the bridge, he not only locked the turbolift door, but just in case they somehow force open that door to get to trapdoor, he also locked the trapdoor(s), too.
I'm not discounting a maintenance access behind the bridge consoles (probably accessed by an "environmental engineering personnel only" ladder from below
YMMV
You're right about Kirk’s movements (it's my third-favorite ep and I just watched it last week), but it's not entirely definitive. Also, you're right about the doors, but not the turbolifts I think - those would be useless to the Scalosians unless they sped them up. There's no dialogue to suggest that happened, and I doubt any rate of speed acceptable to the Scalosians would be within lift stress tolerances. I think the Scalosians were climbing around throughout the episode.
If they are using the ladders inside the turbolift shafts to get around, then they would need the turbolift doors open.
Aren't those rollercoaster tracks?
Hmm, a Blue Origin Jeff Bezos rocket replica I could understand, but a Rolls Royce with its hood ornament, bumpers and other sharp bits? Uh...Ouch?Think a very expensive vehicle.., say a Rolls Royce, entering a tunnel over and over again, in the rain.
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She was gorgeous, but more than a bit strange.
We got along quite well as long as I catered to her "proclivities" and she mine.
The issue is budget. TNG sets were almost all recycled from TMP, without even huge areas like the TMP cargo deck or rec room to give a sense of enormity. The TNG Enterprise, being the luxury ship of the utopian future, should have had massive areas like that plaza in the centre of the saucer in Into Darkness and whatnot.
Note that most lead ships in Trek were much smaller, post-TNG. Voyager was less than half the size and even her corridors were wider!
The Enterprise-D Size Question
The Voyager was supposed to mass 700,000 metric tons versus 4,960,000 metric tons. Or about 1/7 the mass of a Galaxy class...
This is NOT the real problem...
The real problem is just how capable an Intrepid class is. Another measure is that an Intrepid class can, under normal conditions carry a maximum of 200 crew - in other words virtually empty space, much more so than a Galaxy class. A Galaxy class can handle under normal conditions 6,500 crew/dependents...
The next question is just how much Artificial Intelligence do these ships have?
TNG episode 'Contagion' states that 90% of a Galaxy class was totally automated. But! Here is the real kicker; Biogel Neural packs. Why? How exactly did they improve matters? So was an Intrepid class 95% automated? 97.5%
98.75%???
Or is that relevant?
Okay, let's say that a non Isolinear Chromatic Optical chip only equipped Intrepid class would appear the same as the Biogel equipped Intrepid class. But wouldn't be. Due to the difference between quality versus quantity there of.
Hmmm, it occurs to me that a lesson from history is appropriate.
Back in the early 19th century a contest was done with two purpose built steamship. Both were the exact same length. Both had 150 horsepower steam engines. Same sails, same rigging and so on.
But one was a paddle wheel, the other a screw driven ship.
A paddle wheel is an best 1/3 efficient. A screw is one hundred percent efficient. How? Because a paddle wheel only sticks 1/3 of itself into the water. The remaining 2/3s is out of the water. The result of the contest? The screw equipped ship pulled the other backwards...even at full power
The right design philosophy will overcome the lesser.
With the LED Wall now available could you imagine being able to film some of the larger interior spaces on the Enterprise-D or other ships? It could be jaw dropping...
Like a....rollercoaster?
Like a....rollercoaster?
That would be a hell of a discovery.
