How big was the Enterprise?

[Phaser Two]

That is me. My WIP engineering hull deck plans have curved corridors for a 947 foot ship. (Working on a sketch to show you soon - I hope).


McMaster only calls it a "Secondary Exit/Entry" and never shows a turbolift behind the door, so, it may only be a gangway to stairs or a ladder.

Kirk got off the bridge somehow in "Wink of an Eye." And Khan said he "jammed up [their] exit routes." Note the plural.

 

[David cgc]

Kirk got off the bridge somehow in "Wink of an Eye." And Khan said he "jammed up [their] exit routes." Note the plural.

I like the idea of a trap door leading to the saucer’s main stairway in front of the helm from Mr. Scott’s Guide better than the secret ring corridor to nowhere hidden behind a wall from the FJ plans (and, I guess, DSC).

 

[korblborp]

I like the idea of a trap door leading to the saucer’s main stairway in front of the helm from Mr. Scott’s Guide better than the secret ring corridor to nowhere hidden behind a wall from the FJ plans (and, I guess, DSC).

i believe it's meant to access the backs of the consoles, BUT. you could put a head in there, and maybe a coffee station, or a yeoman's office... one thing i have leaerned from watching battleship new jersey videos is you get a lot of spaces that aren't *supposed* to be used for anything but they get turned into offices and stowage by the crew whhile in service

 

[Mytran]

Kirk got off the bridge somehow in "Wink of an Eye." And Khan said he "jammed up [their] exit routes." Note the plural.

There was a spare opening next to Spock's console

 

[knightgrace]

Probably for the best, it was only making people confused and miserable.

You mean we normally aren't??

Shocking.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

When Kirk looked at the 3-footer in "Requiem for Methuselah," they showed his eyes peering straight in...

https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/screencaps/season3/321-requiem-for-methuselah/requiem-for-methuselah-br-639.jpg

...and this is the reverse angle they chose:

https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/screencaps/season3/321-requiem-for-methuselah/requiem-for-methuselah-br-638.jpg

Kirk couldn't really see inside the bridge, but this shot might be the show officially saying that the bridge is offset, with the elevator directly aft and the Command Module pointing toward the port bow. Because they knew full well where the elevator nub was on the miniature.

The reverse angle was a mistake, not an official acknowledgement of where the turbolift was placed. We know this because the screen view of Kirk clearly shows him looking straight into the bridge, which is not offset thanks to the position of the helmsmen.

I've ignored that exterior nub because all interior shots of the bridge (including the tracking in from outside used in "The Cage") has the viewscreen, captain's chair--and everything else--positioned forward.

 

[fireproof78]

You mean we normally aren't??

Shocking.

I thought it was a fan club requirement.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

The reverse angle was a mistake, not an official acknowledgement of where the turbolift was placed. We know this because the screen view of Kirk clearly shows him looking straight into the bridge, which is not offset thanks to the position of the helmsmen.

But Kirk is not actually seeing anything from the main viewscreen's POV. The viewscreen is seeing him. I think his gigantic face was out there pointing straight at the bow, and the interior bridge angle they selected, the "reverse angle" in a sense, points right back at the turbolift because the nub is centerline aft. I think it's very possible they did that.

I've ignored that exterior nub because all interior shots of the bridge (including the tracking in from outside used in "The Cage") has the viewscreen, captain's chair--and everything else--positioned forward.

I can see it that way. @TIN_MAN likes a 1080-ft. length, which is about a 15% increase over Jefferies and FJ, and probably allows for it. At worst you'd have to cheat a little on the exact shape of the external bridge housing. When I'm playing fast and loose, I also like to ditch the saucer's undercut like they did on TAS.

 

[David cgc]

When I'm playing fast and loose, I also like to ditch the saucer's undercut like they did on TAS.

Who doesn’t? Has there been a new Trek ship since the Reliant that doesn’t get rid of the undercut?

 

[blssdwlf]

When I'm playing fast and loose, I also like to ditch the saucer's undercut like they did on TAS.

TAS looks to have kept the saucer undercut.

 

[Warped9]

What TAS actually did, though, was eliminate the nub completely. I did a rewatch of TAS several months back and finally noticed that the TAS Enterprise has no external nub directly behind the bridge.

I take very little from TAS literally. There was a lot of “fast and loose” in what was done. Seriously there are boo-boos and missing pieces on TOS’ 11ft. miniature we don’t accept literally, like te fact most of the unseen port side is void of detail.

Kirk got off the bridge somehow in "Wink of an Eye." And Khan said he "jammed up [their] exit routes." Note the plural.

Ok, so he locked all the doors.

 

[korblborp]

I take very little from TAS literally. There was a lot of “fast and loose” in what was done. Seriously there are boo-boos and missing pieces on TOS’ 11ft. miniature we don’t accept literally, like te fact most of the unseen port side is void of detail.


Ok, so he locked all the doors.

AND the windows

 

[ZapBrannigan]

TAS looks to have kept the saucer undercut.

I guess you're right. It's there, but it doesn't show up so well as to be unmistakable.

Another thing I notice: the artist was tracing ship frames from TOS, which was the best thing they could have done in those days, and he faithfully followed the tall bridge dome and oversized deflector dish of the pilot version when it was present:

https://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/101-BR/beyondthefartheststarhd0051.jpg

https://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/101-BR/beyondthefartheststarhd0057.jpg

So, in a very real sense, stock footage from the pilots made it all the way to Season 4.

 

[blssdwlf]

I guess you're right. It's there, but it doesn't show up so well as to be unmistakable.

Another thing I notice: the artist was tracing ship frames from TOS, which was the best thing they could have done in those days, and he faithfully followed the tall bridge dome and oversized deflector dish of the pilot version when it was present:

https://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/101-BR/beyondthefartheststarhd0051.jpg

https://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/blu-ray/101-BR/beyondthefartheststarhd0057.jpg

So, in a very real sense, stock footage from the pilots made it all the way to Season 4.

Yeah, the undercut is subtle (even on the filming model). The undercut is more obvious with the curved lettering from the underside view. I just noticed that the nacelle end caps look a little different too!

 

[Phaser Two]

I take very little from TAS literally. There was a lot of “fast and loose” in what was done. Seriously there are boo-boos and missing pieces on TOS’ 11ft. miniature we don’t accept literally, like te fact most of the unseen port side is void of detail.


Ok, so he locked all the doors.

Heh. The point is that there's canonically more than one way off the bridge, not surprisingly.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

When I saw it at the Smithsonian, it was like 11'2" long, tops.

Which was displayed recently (if not now) in their main cafeteria. Does anyone recall a smaller version between two and four feet hanging from one of the Air and Space ceilings in the '70s?

 

[Maurice]

The 11' model was hung from the ceiling in the 70s.

Last I heard, it was still on display in the Boeing Milestones of Flight Hall on the first floor, which is right across from the entrance.

 

[BK613]

But Kirk is not actually seeing anything from the main viewscreen's POV. The viewscreen is seeing him. I think his gigantic face was out there pointing straight at the bow, and the interior bridge angle they selected, the "reverse angle" in a sense, points right back at the turbolift because the nub is centerline aft. I think it's very possible they did that.

Umm, no. Kirk is looking from almost directly from the port side of the model's saucer. See here:

https://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/screencaps/season3/321-requiem-for-methuselah/requiem-for-methuselah-br-644.jpg

IMO, nothing about that scene points to the orientation of the bridge.
edit to add: If one wants a measure of just how careful—or not—the PTB were, the helm is male in the viewscreen shot and female in the turbolift shot.

For those interested in what arguments can be made, for and against, there is this thread:

Is the bridge at a funny angle?

Found on twitter. “My favourite Star Trek fact is that because the Enterprise bridge has its turbolift to the SIDE, but that turbolift is directly BEHIND the bridge on exterior of the ship, the bridge crew are canonically sitting at a 36 degree angle from the direction they're actually...

www.trekbbs.com

 

[David cgc]

^ Truly, the “Is Wario a Libertarian?” of the TrekBBS.

 

[knightgrace]

Okay. Why hasn't it occurred to anybody that it may have to do with artificial gravity sources and the interaction with the warp field???
Especially with sudden changes in acceleration due to weapon impacts?

And no this isn't a new thought with me. I have been playing around with it, ever since I first saw this bbs - twenty years ago.

I must be weird.

Oh well what else is new...