I didn't say it was. To repeat myself, the question of what was discernable under original broadcast conditions is an independent question, one that was already under discussion.
How big was the Enterprise?
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I know the cgi model for the engineering section is "larger" than it should be, but isn't that the sort of optical distortion you could create with camera lenses? Also, why don't we think the shuttlebay fits? haven't we only seen it through the doors from the outside?
Not really. If we only ever saw the Engineering set extension from one angle, you could argue that the larger size is an optical illusion (even though that would have knock-on effects, like things that seem to be symmetrical not being so, or parts that looked centered in the ship actually being offset), but since the camera moves around, it "locks in" the actual size of the set.
It's sort of the inverse of how a lot of people have decided the TOS Engineering "pipe cathedral" actually is a tetrahedron tapering down past the grate in "reality," matching the way the set was actually built, since TOS's directors didn't restrict themselves to angles where the forced perspective worked and made it look like a straight triangular tunnel as intended.
Engineering is complicated greatly by the sweeping shot from SNW 01.01, descending through a giant shaft and massive open area. Look up in the Roddenberry Archive to see some of it.
I worked with video in the SD era and there's no way anyone was clearly reading that "Day of the Dove" text on a CRT TV. At best, you can infer some things if you stare at it, but you can't actually parse it.
I don't honestly care how big the ship is. If Jefferies said it was 947 feet, fine. Set for film and TV routinely wouldn't actually fit in the buildings depicted. It's all artifice.
I don't honestly care how big the ship is. If Jefferies said it was 947 feet, fine. Set for film and TV routinely wouldn't actually fit in the buildings depicted. It's all artifice.
I think that, for some people, what's clearly legible matters with respect to what's in continuity, as in: if you can't clearly read it, then it it's free to say whatever's necessary for everything to fit together consistently, regardless of what's written on the source graphic used to film the episode? Or, nothing specific is actually established, if you can't actually read it? Something like that?
Yeah, maybe. I seriously appreciate people trying to bring authenticity to their fan works. But what we're running into is basically the limit between fiction and reality. That limit has to exist, because the subject is fictional.
Yeah, maybe. I seriously appreciate people trying to bring authenticity to their fan works. But what we're running into is basically the limit between fiction and reality. That limit has to exist, because the subject is fictional.
So how big are those shuttles meant to be? Has SNW ever said? Obvs. if they're in the ballpark of the TOS shuttle they're less than the height of a minivan, right? And they are way bigger than that.
Even with the TOS sized shuttles (which they're really really not) that shuttle bay is even roomier than the TOS bay. You then, what? Double that size?
I don't think 450m is getting the job done.
We see inside them pretty often, and the interior is significantly bigger than the already-oversized TOS shuttle interior set, and the exterior seems to match that scale. There are orthos of the CG model, and I feel like I've seen a CAD drawing of the interior set that would let us figure it out, but it's not turning up. Either way, 7 meters long is definitely too little. Could be twice that.
(Despite MA's decision to list them separately, I'm sure the SNW shuttles are supposed to be the Class-F shuttles from TOS).
I agree. There are a lot of cues to indicate that.
Not should they care.
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Exactly. Yes, it's a testament to how the design fired the imagination for many of us but the length of the ship is not important because it's not important to the story. If it was it would have been stated in dialog.
Jerry Seinfeld's apartment and the buildings in M*A*S*H would agree with that assessment.
