How about a respectful religious vs non-religious discussion?
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Watching a bizarre movie.
The Record Keeper (2014)
The History (bible stories) of the human race from the perspective of the Angels in Heaven, who are sorta Steampunk.
Hmmm.
I may be watching a movie, but it seems that this story was released as a webseries 2 years ago.
Really? Does no one have any respect for Noah?
The Record Keeper (2014)
The History (bible stories) of the human race from the perspective of the Angels in Heaven, who are sorta Steampunk.
Hmmm.
I may be watching a movie, but it seems that this story was released as a webseries 2 years ago.
Really? Does no one have any respect for Noah?
No, you have been fine as have many of the other posters. Thank you.
I don't mind the 'poking' fun part. I was thinking perhaps the title of the thread should be changed.
MUST watch this. I typically walk a mile around any production that is so heavily faith based (funded initially by 7th day Adventists), however, production values look nice, acting doesn't look terrible and the aesthetic is interesting. Even if this is just a string of SF bible parables, then it will be interesting to see if they are stories well told or not
Hugo - though why is everyone SHOUTING so much?!
I am sure I am often not respectful.
I meant what I said about prayer needing a revamp. No one that I see as reasonable has been able to explain it to me, the actual mechanics of it.
Say someone has been in bad accident, they might die. This is of course terrible and everyone prays and prays for them to be saved, they ask other people to pray, the closest people sit up all night praying, word goes out to the community and more and more prayers are said. I don't get why or how this is supposed to work. Is it supposed to get God's attention, like more and more yelling? Is it supposed to convince him that for this person he will do a miracle because so many people are in pain and asking for one? Why is MORE prayer somehow needed by an omnipotent God who loves us?
Now I said reasonable people have not been able to explain this to me despite believing it. Unreasonable people (in my mind) have explained it to me as prayer actually effecting the material world by battling back demons who want the person to die and you need to battle more and harder to stop them. That to me is really a very awful way to see life and means sad accidents where people die have the stamp of failure on them because the pray-ers failed to stop the bad stuff in the spiritual world.
I meant what I said about prayer needing a revamp. No one that I see as reasonable has been able to explain it to me, the actual mechanics of it.
Say someone has been in bad accident, they might die. This is of course terrible and everyone prays and prays for them to be saved, they ask other people to pray, the closest people sit up all night praying, word goes out to the community and more and more prayers are said. I don't get why or how this is supposed to work. Is it supposed to get God's attention, like more and more yelling? Is it supposed to convince him that for this person he will do a miracle because so many people are in pain and asking for one? Why is MORE prayer somehow needed by an omnipotent God who loves us?
Now I said reasonable people have not been able to explain this to me despite believing it. Unreasonable people (in my mind) have explained it to me as prayer actually effecting the material world by battling back demons who want the person to die and you need to battle more and harder to stop them. That to me is really a very awful way to see life and means sad accidents where people die have the stamp of failure on them because the pray-ers failed to stop the bad stuff in the spiritual world.
This looks oddly good! And Vulcan haircut ftw!
I look at prayer as being a means to change the outcome. I take that from the POV that God is supposedly ALL knowing and that he/she knows every possible outcome and the past and future, and what is to come. So we're trying to persuade God to change that outcome and have this person get well and recover.
Omnipresent also means omnitemporal.
God is simultaneously at the beginning and the end of the universe.
"I am the alpha and the omega".
TNG Tapestry.
Changing things now kills God at the end of time.
God is simultaneously at the beginning and the end of the universe.
"I am the alpha and the omega".
TNG Tapestry.
Changing things now kills God at the end of time.
Funny you say that because in the Golden Compass trilogy they literally kill god
SPOILERS! I'm still waiting for the second movie to be released.
That's never going to happen.... The movie didn't make that much money and the people behind it got scared off making any more of them due to the catholic church protesting and people protesting..
Read the books. They are fantastic
It was weird watching Dakota Blue Richards on Skins getting stoned and drunk.
I have a very long, and now even longer, list of books I should be reading, that I will never get around to. Thank you.
I have a very long, and now even longer, list of books I should be reading, that I will never get around to. Thank you.
I rather see it as a man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there, and insisting that he found it.
I think the Bible makes a lot more sense if God is not omniscient (in regard to the future) (and I think from the text there are a lot more indications he isn't and relatively quite few that he is).
So Revelation is fanfiction?
You're welcome.
Revelation is controversial even in christian circles. Some feel it was added to the bible to scare the masses into compliance.
Wikipedia says that Revelation was writen by a criminal between 80 and a 100 ad. Lots of convicts can be really bitter when writing about the outside world controled by his or her jailers.
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Yes but that makes no sense. It is, frankly, awful. It means that God will help you out if you have more people asking, like how many friends you have actually makes God like you more. And then meanwhile there are people who don't have a whole crowd getting together to do all that praying and those people have less chance of God caring what happens to them.
Except people with friends die, too. So God doesn't seem to be into the whole logic of prayer anyway.
Is a prayer like an annoying pager that beeps every time and God can't really ignore it? Or is it like some newsletter you've redirected to your spam folder?
Is a prayer like an annoying pager that beeps every time and God can't really ignore it? Or is it like some newsletter you've redirected to your spam folder?
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