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Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
Amen to that!
Amen to that!
High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rapist
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Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
You're already decided on what was said but didn't bother to read past your own assumption and see what I actually meant. I already said she was raped, I wasn't trying to play Devil's or Purgatory's Advocate or anyone's Advocate. People make stupid mistakes is what I said. I say anything more, you'll just use that to fuel your assumptions further.
No, I'm trying to say you're making assumptions from biased sources. But already people are putting words in my mouth and explaining for other people what I'm saying so I'm bowing out of this. Make what remarks you will, you've all been wrong so far about what I mean which I already explained so explaining it again isn't going to change anything.
You're already decided on what was said but didn't bother to read past your own assumption and see what I actually meant. I already said she was raped, I wasn't trying to play Devil's or Purgatory's Advocate or anyone's Advocate. People make stupid mistakes is what I said. I say anything more, you'll just use that to fuel your assumptions further.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
I'll second that amen.
And for those who believe woman-on-man violence isn't a problem, read some of the articles on this website....
http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/
Now, just to be clear, as I earlier stated, this case is momumentially f***ed up, and I'm on the woman's side.
I'll second that amen.
And for those who believe woman-on-man violence isn't a problem, read some of the articles on this website....
http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/
Now, just to be clear, as I earlier stated, this case is momumentially f***ed up, and I'm on the woman's side.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
Yes people make mistakes. If I make a mistake, run a red light, and t-bone someone it's my mistake and I'll pay for it through my insurance and any possible civil suits.
If I, say, participate in the gang-rape of a woman I would suspect my punishment to be a bit more harsh than, "Well, you said you're sorry and you've got a promising sports career ahead of you so, off you go!"
Yes people make mistakes. If I make a mistake, run a red light, and t-bone someone it's my mistake and I'll pay for it through my insurance and any possible civil suits.
If I, say, participate in the gang-rape of a woman I would suspect my punishment to be a bit more harsh than, "Well, you said you're sorry and you've got a promising sports career ahead of you so, off you go!"
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Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
But if you get a ticket for it, you'll start a thread.
Agreed. I'm still disgusted, a day later that this has transpired the way it did. It's pretty fucking heinous if you ask me.
The world is full of people now who have no idea about the concept of accountability. They're here on this very message board, they're in Texas and they're everywhere. Then again, being Texas, if I were that guy I'd surround myself with people at all times in case any errant bullets found their way to me.
But if you get a ticket for it, you'll start a thread.
Agreed. I'm still disgusted, a day later that this has transpired the way it did. It's pretty fucking heinous if you ask me.
The world is full of people now who have no idea about the concept of accountability. They're here on this very message board, they're in Texas and they're everywhere. Then again, being Texas, if I were that guy I'd surround myself with people at all times in case any errant bullets found their way to me.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
This seems to be how most of the debates you get involved with end. Maybe the problem is not with everyone else constantly misinterpreting or misrepresenting you but rather with the way you present your arguments.
I don't have any dislike for you or agenda against you, nor do I think anyone else does, so it stretches credibility to think that everyone is out to make you look bad in these debates. They're simply quoting you or taking what you say to their logical conclusion.
This seems to be how most of the debates you get involved with end. Maybe the problem is not with everyone else constantly misinterpreting or misrepresenting you but rather with the way you present your arguments.
I don't have any dislike for you or agenda against you, nor do I think anyone else does, so it stretches credibility to think that everyone is out to make you look bad in these debates. They're simply quoting you or taking what you say to their logical conclusion.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
I have a suggestion about what to do with the jerk who raped this girl... Unfortunately, it's illegal. Four women did it to a guy... It involved his johnson and some Super Glue.
I have a suggestion about what to do with the jerk who raped this girl... Unfortunately, it's illegal. Four women did it to a guy... It involved his johnson and some Super Glue.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
OMG, the poor girl!
I agree completely, Locutus.
I'm not surprised either. Horrified and outraged, but not surprised. And sorry to hear that you have personal experience w/ the subject; so do I.
OMG, the poor girl!
I agree completely, Locutus.
I'm not surprised either. Horrified and outraged, but not surprised. And sorry to hear that you have personal experience w/ the subject; so do I.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
That's a bit barbaric, don't you think?
That's a bit barbaric, don't you think?
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
You have to admire the lack of self-awareness in saying I wish I could sexually assault someone to punish them for sexually assaulting someone.
You have to admire the lack of self-awareness in saying I wish I could sexually assault someone to punish them for sexually assaulting someone.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
Or like the bumper sticker used to say, "Why do we kill people to teach people that killing is wrong?"
Or like the bumper sticker used to say, "Why do we kill people to teach people that killing is wrong?"
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
In Texas, High School Football trumps everything. It's almost a religion. So this doesn't surprise me in the least.
Remember that rich Texas oil tycoon character from the Simpsons saying "What in the name of high school football?!?!?" Well, if you've ever lived in Texas, that joke is way funnier than if you haven't, because that's pretty much how it is. Still, Texas is a great state, don't get me wrong. But they love their football.
In Texas, High School Football trumps everything. It's almost a religion. So this doesn't surprise me in the least.
Remember that rich Texas oil tycoon character from the Simpsons saying "What in the name of high school football?!?!?" Well, if you've ever lived in Texas, that joke is way funnier than if you haven't, because that's pretty much how it is. Still, Texas is a great state, don't get me wrong. But they love their football.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
^^^ If I recall correctly the person in question is a member of the basketball team, not football. Or is it both?
Well, it's the eye-for-an-eye mentality, which many people still encourage.
^^^ If I recall correctly the person in question is a member of the basketball team, not football. Or is it both?
Well, it's the eye-for-an-eye mentality, which many people still encourage.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
I'm not condoning the mentality, but I think it springs from a collective visceral frustration with acts so henious that, short of visiting the same act upon the offender, any punishment is inadequate both in making the offender understand and acknowledge the damage he's done and deterring him from further violence.
In short, it's impossible to reconcile an orderly and just existence with wrongs that no amount of punitive action or restitution can right, but the eye-for-an-eye mentality is an extremely imperfect attempt at it.
I'm not condoning the mentality, but I think it springs from a collective visceral frustration with acts so henious that, short of visiting the same act upon the offender, any punishment is inadequate both in making the offender understand and acknowledge the damage he's done and deterring him from further violence.
In short, it's impossible to reconcile an orderly and just existence with wrongs that no amount of punitive action or restitution can right, but the eye-for-an-eye mentality is an extremely imperfect attempt at it.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
We don't kill people to teach that killing is wrong. We kill people for justice and, mostly of all, retribution. Say what you will about that, but the DP is intended to be a deterant. It's meant to be a "this guy killed people so it's fucked up that he gets to live the rest of his life without any responsibility to himself or society."
We don't kill people to teach that killing is wrong. We kill people for justice and, mostly of all, retribution. Say what you will about that, but the DP is intended to be a deterant. It's meant to be a "this guy killed people so it's fucked up that he gets to live the rest of his life without any responsibility to himself or society."
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Oh I understand it, definitely. I just think it's irresponsible for people to condone it, particularly when we are not talking about the victim or victim's family members or someone else who has been profoundly affected by the event.
I think it's impossible to reconcile an orderly and just existence with life in general. The simple fact is that life isn't fair.
Oh I understand it, definitely. I just think it's irresponsible for people to condone it, particularly when we are not talking about the victim or victim's family members or someone else who has been profoundly affected by the event.
I think it's impossible to reconcile an orderly and just existence with life in general. The simple fact is that life isn't fair.
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No, a lot of people just make an assumption or implication from not reading an entire argument or post, then taking parts they can use to misrepresent an argument. Like the above implication that I said because he was a "star athlete" who made a mistake he was given leniency. Not what I said but people still imply it.
I'm not the only person it's done to, I'm just one of the few people who won't participate in a mud-slinging contest to see who can discredit the other's argument more. So when I see people misrepresenting what I say, I quit rather than go on with arguing over something I already said.
Call it quitting or martrying or whatever you want, I'm not going to defend myself against people's arguments that are nothing more than taking comments out of context. I have no "agenda" either beyond people stopping this taking a quoted text apart piece by piece and then using it as a way to call the other person on something they never even said or is then used as the opposite of what was said.
I guess I could go on arguing in endless circles about it but what would it accomplish other than accusations I'm saying or doing something I'm not? People need to stop with these exercises in discrediting by misrepresenting or misinterpeting or taking out of context.
You know what I said? Don't make assumptions. What has virtually every person done in this thread? Make assumptions.
No, a lot of people just make an assumption or implication from not reading an entire argument or post, then taking parts they can use to misrepresent an argument. Like the above implication that I said because he was a "star athlete" who made a mistake he was given leniency. Not what I said but people still imply it.
I'm not the only person it's done to, I'm just one of the few people who won't participate in a mud-slinging contest to see who can discredit the other's argument more. So when I see people misrepresenting what I say, I quit rather than go on with arguing over something I already said.
Call it quitting or martrying or whatever you want, I'm not going to defend myself against people's arguments that are nothing more than taking comments out of context. I have no "agenda" either beyond people stopping this taking a quoted text apart piece by piece and then using it as a way to call the other person on something they never even said or is then used as the opposite of what was said.
I guess I could go on arguing in endless circles about it but what would it accomplish other than accusations I'm saying or doing something I'm not? People need to stop with these exercises in discrediting by misrepresenting or misinterpeting or taking out of context.
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I think that's giving people too much credit. I doubt most folks care about the perp "acknowledging" or "understanding" the gravity of his actions. They just want him to suffer for what he's done. And that's a perfectly understandable reaction but it is not a good basis for a justice system.
There are problems and then there are "problems." When almost 90% of all violent crimes are committed by men, it seems a little beside the point to then jump in and say, "but female-on-male violence is a problem, too!" It deserves attention but as it is a vastly unequal phenomenon it makes little sense to give it the same focus as violent crime perpetrated by males (against either sex.)
I also wonder if there isn't some kind of collective narcissism involved. People see a particular person (a woman) representing a larger social problem (male-on-female rape) and then have to jump in and call attention to a similar issue that is more self-serving in its scope. "But women also rape men! Why isn't anyone upset about that?"
I mean, can't we just agree that rape and violence are bad no matter who is doing it to whom, or why? I always feel like the people who take a thread about a specific male-on-female rape and turn it into a general discussion of female-on-male rape are trying to make it a contest. Which group suffers more indignities? Who has more right to be upset? For fuck's sake, violence isn't a competition.
I think that's giving people too much credit. I doubt most folks care about the perp "acknowledging" or "understanding" the gravity of his actions. They just want him to suffer for what he's done. And that's a perfectly understandable reaction but it is not a good basis for a justice system.
I'll second that amen.
And for those who believe woman-on-man violence isn't a problem, read some of the articles on this website....
http://www.glennsacks.com/blog/
Now, just to be clear, as I earlier stated, this case is momumentially f***ed up, and I'm on the woman's side.
There are problems and then there are "problems." When almost 90% of all violent crimes are committed by men, it seems a little beside the point to then jump in and say, "but female-on-male violence is a problem, too!" It deserves attention but as it is a vastly unequal phenomenon it makes little sense to give it the same focus as violent crime perpetrated by males (against either sex.)
I also wonder if there isn't some kind of collective narcissism involved. People see a particular person (a woman) representing a larger social problem (male-on-female rape) and then have to jump in and call attention to a similar issue that is more self-serving in its scope. "But women also rape men! Why isn't anyone upset about that?"
I mean, can't we just agree that rape and violence are bad no matter who is doing it to whom, or why? I always feel like the people who take a thread about a specific male-on-female rape and turn it into a general discussion of female-on-male rape are trying to make it a contest. Which group suffers more indignities? Who has more right to be upset? For fuck's sake, violence isn't a competition.
Re: High school cheerleader kicked off squad; Refused to cheer for rap
It's the exact thing that you're saying (don't discuss it) that makes it harder to find out just how common it is. You'd rather focus on making men out to be the problem behind 90% of violent crime and ignore that women are often criminals too and can be rapists or abusers. You are making it out to be something else and discouraging discussion of the other side of this issue.
Again, with those assumptions people make. It's not "who suffers more" it's why are men allowed to suffer in silence while women are encouraged to come out and admit it?
We can't agree though. You make the case for why people are talking about women not always being the victim. You very much incorrectly say 90% of men cause violent crime, then dismiss however carefully, that it's not as common as it is for men to be the victim. You think women being raped is under reported? Try looking at how many men are raped and unreported. Or just outright abused or victimized by women, especially their mothers or wives. You call it narcisstic, I call it making it publically known this goes on.
It's the exact thing that you're saying (don't discuss it) that makes it harder to find out just how common it is. You'd rather focus on making men out to be the problem behind 90% of violent crime and ignore that women are often criminals too and can be rapists or abusers. You are making it out to be something else and discouraging discussion of the other side of this issue.
Again, with those assumptions people make. It's not "who suffers more" it's why are men allowed to suffer in silence while women are encouraged to come out and admit it?