Hey, I never noticed that before....

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  1. Captain Rob

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    Seeing those pictures of the engine room set makes me think. I wish I could ask the person(s) that designed it what those pipe thingies and side structures behind the grille were supposed to be. And what the reasoning behind the curved ceiling was.
     
  2. Tetragrammaton Invictus

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    Just guessing but could the curved ceiling be the inside nearest the hull?

    And those slanty pipes could be injectors
     
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    I'm not sure about the pipe thingies, but IIRC, the curved ceiling was because art director Matt Jefferies intended the Engineering section to be in the upper part of the cylindrical secondary hull. Of course, the scale got all thrown out of whack when the Enterprise's original putative length of 500-something feet was nearly doubled to 947 feet.
     
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    Yes, the ceiling is certainly the inside of the top of the secondary hull.
    The giant tubes behind the grille, to me, are connected to similar tubes that run up the pylons to the engines. They may be warp plasma conduits running to and from the dilithium reaction chamber.
     
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    I've always thought it amazing the degree of thought Jefferies put into making the interior arrangements of the Enterprise match up with the exterior, esp. as most of that would be lost on the average viewer. I've mentioned before he "observation corridor" set (used only once) meant to overlook the hangar deck, but the curved ceiling of the engineering set is another good example of this. Of course, Andrew Probert took it to a whole different level with the refit Enterprise, and as a kid I marveled at the David Kimble cutaway Enterprise poster that came out with that film.

    I've wondered if Jefferies at the time of TOS and Probert and others at the time of TMP worked under any imperative by Roddenberry to make the scales / interior arrangements plausible, or if they took that upon themselves (perhaps out of their sense of love for the subject), at least to the degree they did. I recall a version of the TOS writers guide indicating that the Enterprise's saucer section alone contained 20 decks, suggesting Roddenberry and/or whoever else wrote it didn't give as much thought to scale (or presumably how the sets fit within the ship) as Jefferies did....and yet evidence exists that Roddenberry had very specific ideas for modifying the filming miniatures from their 2nd pilot configuration to what we saw in the regular series, suggesting an "attention to detail" that was very important to him.
     
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  6. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    According to MA, "Sevrin was a Vulcan in an early version of the script." (of "The Way To Eden")

    I'm guessing his name was a holdover from that script, then? One name only, S name...So basically, we could have gotten Sybok a lot sooner? :vulcan:
     
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  7. Forbin

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    Just watching The Cloud Minders. When Kirk & Spock beam to the Stratos gallery, Spock says something like, "This is the most amazing example of sustained anti-gravity I've ever seen." And immediately Droxine walks in with that skimpy dress with improbable support and I thought, "Yes, yes it is." :vulcan:

    :D

    I'd never noticed the timing of that line and her entrance before. Can't help but wonder if it was an in-joke.
     
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    20 decks in the saucer? Doesn't look that way when you watch the show.

    I thought the refit movie Enterprise had about 14 decks in its saucer.
     
  9. JonnyQuest037

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    There's a similar thing going on in the briefing room set. The walls have buttresses that give you an idea of where in the ship the room might be located, and it also evokes a subtle nautical feel. That's something that was lost in the sets for subsequent versions of the Enterprise.
    That's pretty much what I believe, too. In my mind those big pipes (built in forced perspective, BTW) crisscross up above the Engineering set and lead into the pylons for the warp nacelles.

    Of course, you don't really need to know what those pipes are or how they work to enjoy the show. All you need to know is that they're big, powerful, and they serve some vital function in keeping the ship powered. :techman:
     
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    And don't forget those small pipes you sometimes saw in corridors that connect from the wall to the floor. Some of them marked GNDN. "Goes nowhere does nothing"
     
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    Franz Joseph gave the TOS Enterprise saucer 11 decks, which seems about right.
     
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    In regards to the curved buttressed wall of the briefing room set. I just recently caught "Way to Eden".
    During Spock's duet in the briefing/rec room we see Adam slip out through a passage past the left end of that curved wall. Through one of those grill work partitions.
    The curved wall and supporting buttresses suggest an external hull section. But Adam's exit would have him ending up outside the ship.
     
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  14. JonnyQuest037

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    :shrug: Third season, man. They did all sorts of weird shit that didn't make any sense. ;)
     
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    ^^^
    They certainly bounce just as well. ;)

    I always too the stuff behind the grille to be the two Impulse Engines (on the rear of the Primary Hull). That's one reason I always thought main engineering was in the Primary Hull of the ship.
     
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  16. Captain Rob

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    As did I. And the term 'Main Engineering' suggests that there's more than one.
    I've toured a couple of WW2 aircraft carriers and battleships and they all have multiple engine rooms. And there's one main one where the Chief Engineer is. Usually where the engines interconnect with the ship's power systems. And all of the master controls are located.
    We've seen one with the 'goggles' meant to be the reactor assembly. along with the second level with stairs and the EMM. And then we've seen a room without those things. (IRL the set before and after modifications).
    It makes sense that there's one engine room in the primary hull where the impulse engines are and in the secondary hull where the interconnect for the warp nacelles is.
     
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    I guess that was his ninth life. One fruit too many...
     
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    He certainly wore 'lifts' in his boots to try and appear taller. There's a famous caricature that was done by one of the production staff, printed in "Inside Star Trek: The True Story" that skewers it, as well as the famous toupee:

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VlmHNP9So...WNKY0C3l4/s400/SoundTechnicianFrankOakden.jpg
     
  19. UnknownSample

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    His head to body ratio has been making me think he's slightly on the short side.
     
  20. ZapBrannigan

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    I don't see the cartoon mocking his footwear. It looks more like his boots are casting shadows because the wind is lifting him off the floor.