Hey, I never noticed that before....

[Forbin]

Just watching The Cloud Minders. When Kirk & Spock beam to the Stratos gallery, Spock says something like, "This is the most amazing example of sustained anti-gravity I've ever seen." And immediately Droxine walks in with that skimpy dress with improbable support and I thought, "Yes, yes it is."



I'd never noticed the timing of that line and her entrance before. Can't help but wonder if it was an in-joke.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

20 decks in the saucer? Doesn't look that way when you watch the show.

I thought the refit movie Enterprise had about 14 decks in its saucer.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Seeing those pictures of the engine room set makes me think. I wish I could ask the person(s) that designed it what those pipe thingies and side structures behind the grille were supposed to be. And what the reasoning behind the curved ceiling was.

I'm not sure about the pipe thingies, but IIRC, the curved ceiling was because art director Matt Jefferies intended the Engineering section to be in the upper part of the cylindrical secondary hull.

There's a similar thing going on in the briefing room set. The walls have buttresses that give you an idea of where in the ship the room might be located, and it also evokes a subtle nautical feel. That's something that was lost in the sets for subsequent versions of the Enterprise.

The giant tubes behind the grille, to me, are connected to similar tubes that run up the pylons to the engines. They may be warp plasma conduits running to and from the dilithium reaction chamber.

That's pretty much what I believe, too. In my mind those big pipes (built in forced perspective, BTW) crisscross up above the Engineering set and lead into the pylons for the warp nacelles.

Of course, you don't really need to know what those pipes are or how they work to enjoy the show. All you need to know is that they're big, powerful, and they serve some vital function in keeping the ship powered.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

And don't forget those small pipes you sometimes saw in corridors that connect from the wall to the floor. Some of them marked GNDN. "Goes nowhere does nothing"

 

[scotpens]

20 decks in the saucer? Doesn't look that way when you watch the show.

I thought the refit movie Enterprise had about 14 decks in its saucer.

Franz Joseph gave the TOS Enterprise saucer 11 decks, which seems about right.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Franz Joseph gave the TOS Enterprise saucer 11 decks, which seems about right.

Ah, see that does sound right.

The Enterprise is one of the most iconic spaceships

 

[Captain Rob]

In regards to the curved buttressed wall of the briefing room set. I just recently caught "Way to Eden".
During Spock's duet in the briefing/rec room we see Adam slip out through a passage past the left end of that curved wall. Through one of those grill work partitions.
The curved wall and supporting buttresses suggest an external hull section. But Adam's exit would have him ending up outside the ship.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

In regards to the curved buttressed wall of the briefing room set. I just recently caught "Way to Eden".
During Spock's duet in the briefing/rec room we see Adam slip out through a passage past the left end of that curved wall. Through one of those grill work partitions.
The curved wall and supporting buttresses suggest an external hull section. But Adam's exit would have him ending up outside the ship.

Third season, man. They did all sorts of weird shit that didn't make any sense.

 

[Noname Given]

You mean....that paper mache rock. How about that other 'rock' that pins Kirk to the ground, yet when Kirk squirms around the 'rock' moves to and fro.

BTW, those rocks look like the same rocks used in Friday's Child.

^^^
They certainly bounce just as well.

Seeing those pictures of the engine room set makes me think. I wish I could ask the person(s) that designed it what those pipe thingies and side structures behind the grille were supposed to be. And what the reasoning behind the curved ceiling was.

I always too the stuff behind the grille to be the two Impulse Engines (on the rear of the Primary Hull). That's one reason I always thought main engineering was in the Primary Hull of the ship.

 

[Captain Rob]

As did I. And the term 'Main Engineering' suggests that there's more than one.
I've toured a couple of WW2 aircraft carriers and battleships and they all have multiple engine rooms. And there's one main one where the Chief Engineer is. Usually where the engines interconnect with the ship's power systems. And all of the master controls are located.
We've seen one with the 'goggles' meant to be the reactor assembly. along with the second level with stairs and the EMM. And then we've seen a room without those things. (IRL the set before and after modifications).
It makes sense that there's one engine room in the primary hull where the impulse engines are and in the secondary hull where the interconnect for the warp nacelles is.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

But Adam's exit would have him ending up outside the ship.

I guess that was his ninth life. One fruit too many...

 

[Lance]

Also not noticed by me until late in life was the fact that Shatner crunched his communicator when he rolled over it when they popped in. The grille is bent and stuck open in a few shots after he gets up. Also, Shatner has no heels on his boots in the fight scenes.

Is he a shorty?

He certainly wore 'lifts' in his boots to try and appear taller. There's a famous caricature that was done by one of the production staff, printed in "Inside Star Trek: The True Story" that skewers it, as well as the famous toupee:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VlmHNP9So...WNKY0C3l4/s400/SoundTechnicianFrankOakden.jpg

 

[UnknownSample]

His head to body ratio has been making me think he's slightly on the short side.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

He certainly wore 'lifts' in his boots to try and appear taller. There's a famous caricature that was done by one of the production staff, printed in "Inside Star Trek: The True Story" that skewers it, as well as the famous toupee:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VlmHNP9So...WNKY0C3l4/s400/SoundTechnicianFrankOakden.jpg

I don't see the cartoon mocking his footwear. It looks more like his boots are casting shadows because the wind is lifting him off the floor.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Shatner wasn't as short as Robert Conrad or Richard Basehart, but not as tall as he wanted to be perceived.

 

[Gary7]

I seem to recall a few shots here and there where you can see that next to Nimoy, Shatner is a bit on the short side. They did hide it pretty well most of the time. TNG exposed it a few times with Riker (very tall) and Stewart (modest height).

One thing I'd noticed a bit in the first few episodes of the 1st season was the occasional appearance of the Cage pilot pistols. Very cool to see it return from time to time. Obsolete but still effective. It appeared in "The Cage", "Where No Man Has Gone Before," "The Man Trap," and "What Are Little Girls Made Of." Of course also in "The Menagerie", but I don't really count that because it was just footage from "The Cage." The prop didn't make a physical appearance, just in video recap. Apparently it was mentioned in "A Private Little War" but never seen. They really could have used it one last time in "Whom Gods Destroy," letting one of Garth's alien henchmen brandish it...

 

[Lance]

I don't see the cartoon mocking his footwear. It looks more like his boots are casting shadows because the wind is lifting him off the floor.

Fair point. I always just assumed it was meant to be the lifts in his boots, but obviously I could be wrong.

 

[Myko]

Watched a bit of Naked Time yesterday, and the crewman who obstructs Janice in the corridor (named Moody by her in her next scene on the bridge) sings "I'll take you home again Charlene", instead of "Kathleen".

 

[Gary7]

I watched "Shore Leave" again recently. It's a fun episode, I'll give you that. Nice to see the crew outside on an Earth-like planet, and a majority of the episode was spent outside (not many did).

But what I find befuddling is how long it took Kirk to recognize that the minds of the landing party were being read to manufacture people and objects. There is absolutely no credible way someone like Finnegan would just happen to be on a remote planet, looking like he did 15 years ago. If he's an illusion, then some intelligence is on the planet manipulating his mind. And then... projecting that into the minds of everyone, so they see him too? Kirk treats Finnegan like he's Finnegan... rather than an alien or some unbelievable hallucination.

As I'd see it:
FINNEGAN: You never know when I'm going to strike, huh, Jim? (hits him on the jaw) How's this? Come on, come on. It's me, Finnegan. All right, Jimmy boy. (maniacal laughter) Go ahead, lay one on me. That's what you always wanted, isn't it? Come on. Come on.
KIRK: You are not the Finnegan I once knew. He's living far, far away from here. You're a very accurate representation of him, but... Who are you, and what's happening to my people?
FINNEGAN: I never answer questions from plebes, Jimmy boy.
KIRK: I'm not a plebe. This is today, fifteen years later. You can't be Finnegan!
FINNEGAN: I'm being exactly what you expect me to be, Jimmy boy.
KIRK: This is getting nowhere. I know you're not an illusion. Your slug across my jaw sure felt real enough. So obviously someone went to a lot of trouble to scan my mind, find my memory of Finnegan, and... "manufacture" you. Am I right?
FINNEGAN: You sure are a smart one, Jimmy boy. I guess all that studyin' paid off for ya! (maniacal laughter)
KIRK: OK, then. Change of plans. I don't need you to be Finnegan. Please take me to your creators!
FINNEGAN: No can do, Jim.
KIRK: Why not?
FINNEGAN: It's not the way the game is played, Jimmy boy.
KIRK: OK, well, why don't I beat the tar out of you until you're unconscious, then smack your head with a large rock so I can see what you're made of. How does that sound?
FINNEGAN: That wouldn't be very sportin' of ya, Jimmy! (throws dirt in Kirk's face, then runs off)

OK, well... I guess he wouldn't have made much progress anyway.

 

[GSchnitzer]

Watched a bit of Naked Time yesterday, and the crewman who obstructs Janice in the corridor (named Moody by her in her next scene on the bridge) sings "I'll take you home again Charlene", instead of "Kathleen".

I believe he actually sings "I'll take you home again, Janice [pronounced Ja-Neesé]."