Hey, I never noticed that before....
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Where is the mistake, though?
From the sounds of it, Korby always was a cold fish (even if passionate about his profession), and a megalomaniac who thought he could cure the universe with ancient knowledge. It's difficult to see which parts of his personality would have been left behind, causing Chapel's reaction.
Whether the copy of Kirk was a halfway Kirk or just the full Kirk with added programming, it's difficult to tell. Korby claims the copy is both "exact in every detail" and "only half of what [he] could have accomplished". The latter because the copy is "only a machine" - yet the supposed full transfer would still involve an immortal android body. What to make of that?
Korby isn't being all that convincing about using a more humane touch with Chapel, either: within her earshot, he waxes poetic about "programming" that removes greed and so forth. It's not as if Chapel's "consciousness" or "soul", which Korby equates, would really survive the transfer intact, then...
Is the half-baked nature of Kirk in his physical form after all, then? In his inability to be properly strangled by a length of string? Is that what Korby is offering Chapel - a truly perfect imitation of a body, yet immortal (as long as nobody strangles her)?
Timo Saloniemi
I think Korby realises that "something" got left behind in the transfer when he says this:
To me, this is him realising that his thought processes are mere computerised simulations and not the transferred thought patterns from his organic body.
Until confronted with the truth, he was probably just in serious denial.
As for getting strangled? Well he did say he'd created the a "perfect being, tested it, proved it" Perhaps that level of perfection also required a gag reflex?
So maybe Korny was the only one whose 'soul' was transferred and only copies were made of Brown, Kirk and perhaps Andrea. So thats why Korby was in control as the copies were not as sophisticated
Korby was certainly a more thorough copy of the original human and convincing enough that he fooled even himself for a long while. However, Korby did eventually come to the realisation (with a little help from Kirk) that he was only an android, albeit with programming sophisticated enough to emulate some of Korby's brainwaves
I think the android Kirk is "halfway" in the fact that he knows he is a robot copy. There's no existential crisis "Buzz Lightyear moment" after he gets made.
The real question is does the machine actually do a full consciousness transfer when used properly, and Korby was unlucky because of his injuries, or did it work all the way on Korby and at it's full potential it just makes a sophisticated copy that thinks it's the original.
The real question is does the machine actually do a full consciousness transfer when used properly, and Korby was unlucky because of his injuries, or did it work all the way on Korby and at it's full potential it just makes a sophisticated copy that thinks it's the original.
Uhura seemed tempted by a similar, if not the exact same transfer process on Mudd's Planet, so, this android existence may still be better than growing old and feeble in Uhura's mind?
I suspect the following course of events:
- Human Korby begins the android creation/transfer process
- Human Korby passes out and dies
- Android Korby wakes up with all of Korby's memories
- Android Korby remembers initiating the transfer procedure, sees the dead human Korby and assumes the process worked
And work it did - because Korby apparently then deliberately applies fewer of the machine's capabilities, at lower settings, whatnot, and nevertheless comes up with the duplicate Kirk. That's pretty good going. I wonder if the machine could actually do even better than it did with Korby, if the user just knew which buttons to push or which capabilities to ask for from Ruk?
Sure, Uhura might have wanted an android body for real. Around that era, the Federation seems to know quite a lot about those, having built a body for Airiam and supposedly having the capacity to build bodies for Sargon's lot, too. Machine augmentation may in fact be quite popular in certain circles, although shunned in others. But learning the trick of mind transfer appears to call for more than just digging through these piles of junk that Kirk leaves in his wake!
Timo Saloniemi
Sure, Uhura might have wanted an android body for real. Around that era, the Federation seems to know quite a lot about those, having built a body for Airiam and supposedly having the capacity to build bodies for Sargon's lot, too. Machine augmentation may in fact be quite popular in certain circles, although shunned in others. But learning the trick of mind transfer appears to call for more than just digging through these piles of junk that Kirk leaves in his wake!
Timo Saloniemi
Here's where I have to ask - what would the difference be?
Whether Korby's essence is indeed transferred (whatever that means) to the android body or just receives an exact copy of memories, he would still think he was the original - and with the original organic Korby deceased there would be no-one around to question the validity of the process
Whether Korby's essence is indeed transferred (whatever that means) to the android body or just receives an exact copy of memories, he would still think he was the original - and with the original organic Korby deceased there would be no-one around to question the validity of the process
That likely is the difference. Without a living organic Korby to question the validity of the transfer, of course android Korby is going to think the transfer was as thorough as he had been promised. The process may have even been developed by the Old Ones for just such a purpose; to create android copies of certain people so that certain "brain trusts" could continue for the benefit of their culture. Ruk could have even been such a copy, in the beginning. As time goes by, and the number of androids increases, certain changes are made to the androids' ability to be self-determinant. Eventually, they learn 'the equation' and overthrow their organic overlords, ultimately destroying the very culture that created them.
This is a great question!
What if the process actually caused the death of Korby and anyone else that does go all the way? If there's nothing left in the mind/brain of the individual, wouldn't they die like Dr. Adams?
Are the memories copied, allowing multiple copies to be created? Or is it a transfer and the original emptied like pouring liquid from one container to another.
Well, Kirk was none the worse for the wear after getting a "halfway" android done! I doubt the process actually harms the original much - but "harm" would be a major element in Dr. Korby's adventures one way or another, independently of the ancient androidification process itself.
It's funny how "Little Girls" makes use of exotically shaped doorways the same way Forbidden Planet originally did, apparently in order to suggest nonhumanoid original dwellers. Yet Ruk looks human enough. Has he been uploading himself to new bodies again and again since those days when he used to be a butler spider-crab to a noble family of spider-crabs? Did he only pick a human(oid) body when confronted with the need to serve Korby?
Timo Saloniemi
It's funny how "Little Girls" makes use of exotically shaped doorways the same way Forbidden Planet originally did, apparently in order to suggest nonhumanoid original dwellers. Yet Ruk looks human enough. Has he been uploading himself to new bodies again and again since those days when he used to be a butler spider-crab to a noble family of spider-crabs? Did he only pick a human(oid) body when confronted with the need to serve Korby?
Timo Saloniemi
There was at least one horse briefly seen in "Spectre of the Gun." But being that it was the third season and the budget had been slashed, keeping the animal work down to a minimum was an easy place where they could keep the budget down.
And there was a scene involving Kirk attempting to ride through the barrier on horseback, I believe, that was either cut or never filmed. Someone with more knowledge can confirm...
There were a couple horses in Captain Pike's Mojave fantasy in The Cage/The Menagerie.
It seems like a love of horseback riding is a prerequisite for Enterprise Captain's through the ages...
(BTW, I absolutely love your username/avatar combo. Late Late with Craig Ferguson was the best.
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