Shh, stop making sense!
Heroes: "Tabula Rasa" 10/19 - Grading & Discussion
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Shh, stop making sense!
Yeah... although when one power is absorbed, does it knock the other one out?
Usually I can turn off my brain and enjoy the show, but this one was a bit too slowly paced to do that.
Hopefully some good old fashioned sorority hazing can reverse that next week.
Average/Below average.
Usually I can turn off my brain and enjoy the show, but this one was a bit too slowly paced to do that.
Hopefully some good old fashioned sorority hazing can reverse that next week.
Average/Below average.
We've never really gotten any consistency on how Peter acquires his powers. Sometimes he touches someone with powers and then poof he has their power. If that's the case then guess what Peter? You just absorbed Hiro's power, teleported to bumble**** wherever they went and absorbed a healing power, took a private plane 6 hours back to NYC to heal Hiro (who wasn't there) and you just touched Emma in Hiro's hospital room.
So he should have Emma's ability to see sound again... GJ
Oh and how exactly was Noah going to explain the deaths of that healing kids parents and the blood from Peter on the second floor with buckshot in the wall? Ok let's just assume they keep the cops off the second floor somehow. Those corpses weren't recent, it looked like they'd been dead awhile and would have had to have been dead awhile to have them smelling it.
Is Noah going to say "I befriended this teenage boy on the internet and I brought him home after we went uhhh camping and he found his parents like this." que Chris Hansen
I thought that was weird as well. I kept thinking what the cops are going to think when they come to investigate the house. But as was said before this is Heroes, and the writing is pretty bad.
What about Parkman? What about Mohindur? Was he killed last season and I missed it?
When I think about a TV show about people with super powers, I can think of soooooo many cool things they can do, but Heroes does nothing like that except in the ever-mentioned awesome first season.
Sylar is great sure, but it feels like all I ever see him do is just look surprised and innocent. First he is trying to find his Mom. Then he gets amnesia and has to find himself. Then he finds himself, but it isn't who he think he is. Then he is told he is bothers with Peter and Nathan, then he met his "Dad", then he met his Mom (Angela), then he went to find his real father. Then he was turned into someone else. Then he recovers only to find that he doesn't know himself and has to find it again. Now he is with the Carnie people. I like when Sylar is being Sylar. He is a bad guy, so why can't he fight the good guys?
Like the Fantastic Four teaming up to take down Doom. Claire, Peter, Parkman, and HRG team up to defeat Sylar. Then Sylar is defeated but escapes.
Seriously what do you like more Claire and HRG talking about trying to be a normal family, or Peter and Sylar square off? How about the season fight between Parkman, Hiro (I think) versus HRG. Parkman reads HRG's mind but Noah is thinking in Japanese! Brilliant! More stuff like that please.
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What about Parkman? What about Mohindur? Was he killed last season and I missed it?
When I think about a TV show about people with super powers, I can think of soooooo many cool things they can do, but Heroes does nothing like that except in the ever-mentioned awesome first season.
Sylar is great sure, but it feels like all I ever see him do is just look surprised and innocent. First he is trying to find his Mom. Then he gets amnesia and has to find himself. Then he finds himself, but it isn't who he think he is. Then he is told he is bothers with Peter and Nathan, then he met his "Dad", then he met his Mom (Angela), then he went to find his real father. Then he was turned into someone else. Then he recovers only to find that he doesn't know himself and has to find it again. Now he is with the Carnie people. I like when Sylar is being Sylar. He is a bad guy, so why can't he fight the good guys?
Like the Fantastic Four teaming up to take down Doom. Claire, Peter, Parkman, and HRG team up to defeat Sylar. Then Sylar is defeated but escapes.
Seriously what do you like more Claire and HRG talking about trying to be a normal family, or Peter and Sylar square off? How about the season fight between Parkman, Hiro (I think) versus HRG. Parkman reads HRG's mind but Noah is thinking in Japanese! Brilliant! More stuff like that please.
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The Sylar plot was good, and Zach Quinto's performance was really good, intense but more nuanced than I would have expected. The rest, eh. Hiro wasn't acting like a complete idiot this time, still child-like but at least he wasn't a spoiled child (maybe the spectre of death has finally shaken something loose.) Unfortunately, he passed the idiot ball to Peter; or rather, he passed it to the writers, who have restored Hiro's powers to their full extent, and therefore re-introduced all the plot problems that come with space and time control.
Oh well. I can almost see the writers shrugging. They don't care about explaining it, why should we?
Oh well. I can almost see the writers shrugging. They don't care about explaining it, why should we?
The problem is that when Heroes writes these battles into a show, they always happen of screen because they don't have the budget or the imagination to pull it off.
I actually found that for the most part this episode didn't suck, so I gave it above average. Nothing really spectacular, it just didn't piss me off like most episodes.
The Claire can't cure cancer thing seemed a little silly. So if she gets doused in radiation or something she'll die within seconds of cancer right?
The Claire can't cure cancer thing seemed a little silly. So if she gets doused in radiation or something she'll die within seconds of cancer right?
Because the kid's touch was killing people, not healing them. If they transported him to the hospital, he might have killed Hiro* and a few other people.
* Hey wait, kill Hiro? Maybe it was not such a bad idea after all...
I actually found that for the most part this episode didn't suck, so I gave it above average. Nothing really spectacular, it just didn't piss me off like most episodes.
The Claire can't cure cancer thing seemed a little silly. So if she gets doused in radiation or something she'll die within seconds of cancer right?
I dont think so... cancer is the corruption of healthy cells... since claire's powers would automatically heal that I doubt she'd ever get cancer...
The sad part is in Seaosn 1 they did have the budget and imagination to pull it off and we still ended up with a crapfest of a fight between Peter and Sylar, with the rest of the characters looking on with stupid looks on their face (ie Ali Larter).
Checkmate
Commodore
I think the big problem with this show is that they didn't -- and it's painfully obvious just how much they didn't -- want to do a show about heroes.
They wanted to do a show about fish-out-of-water and are simply using super powers to facilitate that concept. To this day you can see it in every single new storyline they introduce. Amnesiac Sylar. Deaf Girl. Sylar-Matt. etc.
If they want to fix the show -- and it's clear that they don't -- they need to just completely fire Kring and get over that asinine mentality (and ideally all the other writers; not a single one seems to have a clue how to make a riveting story). They then need to sit down and write a story about HEROES. Not chumps who become heroes because they get written into a corner, only to quickly shed that at the start of the next season just so they can be fish out of water again.
They wanted to do a show about fish-out-of-water and are simply using super powers to facilitate that concept. To this day you can see it in every single new storyline they introduce. Amnesiac Sylar. Deaf Girl. Sylar-Matt. etc.
If they want to fix the show -- and it's clear that they don't -- they need to just completely fire Kring and get over that asinine mentality (and ideally all the other writers; not a single one seems to have a clue how to make a riveting story). They then need to sit down and write a story about HEROES. Not chumps who become heroes because they get written into a corner, only to quickly shed that at the start of the next season just so they can be fish out of water again.
I look forward to the Parkman/Sylar vs Memory Loss/Sylar battle. Then when Memory Loss/Sylar wins but pretends not to and turns to the camera and gives us that smarmy evil Sylar smile. Then he kills everyone in the Carnival and we can totally reset if there just happens to be another season. Sigh.........
You know, if the carnies help Sylar get his memory back knowing that he kills people with powers and takes him, won't he just massacre the entire "family"?
I guess Teabag is just stupid.
Checkmate
Commodore
You know, if the carnies help Sylar get his memory back knowing that he kills people with powers and takes him, won't he just massacre the entire "family"?
I guess Teabag is just stupid.
Or he just knows something we don't.
I've gotten the distinct vibe that his brother was just like Sylar, or at least an empath similar to Mr. Petrelli or Peter. We have no idea why he died. We have no idea why Samuel thinks Sylar would be a suitable replacement for him. We haven't seen any of that yet, though we most certainly should have by now.
At least we know he's interested in Hiro because their resident time traveler/teleporter is dying. That, alone, indicates that he's looking for specific replacements. So maybe he has some way to control Sylar. There's a ton of specials in the carnival. Who knows, they may have their own Haitian, too.
it makes a interesting possibility... we have the network telling us a main male character will die.... Hero is dying... however I doubt they'd make it that obvious... they need peter as the hero protagonist, I still place my bets on sylar killing matt parkman after he finds out he's the one who altered his memories... there's alway's mohinder... I doubt anybody would miss him.
Oh I guess I'm feeling generous. Above Average.
Pro's: characters actually acting like they have something resembling interesting and unique motivations that make sense for who they are. Peter going off half-cocked to save Hiro's life (how well does he know Hiro, really, even after all this time?); Noah realizing that his career has been staring him in the face all this time; Samuel launching into a replay of Danko's folly from last season, thinking he can control Sylar and use his powers (and the carnival folk are just lucky that Sylar is too brainwashed to slaughter them all). Samuel comes off less foolish than Danko simply because of his "metahumans good, humans bad" blinders that prevent him from seeing Sylar for who he is.
I also liked Peter goofing up the teleportation power (ouch, not one you want to use carelessly) - there should be more done with the notion that these people aren't 100% perfect at using all their powers. And that he had the common sense not to glom that dratted time travel power instead.
Con's: Hiro and Emma are just plain boring. And Hiro's dippy statement that "there are no bad powers" encapsulates just why I have no respect for the character. What about Nikki and Sylar being driven insane by their powers? Maya's power wasn't bad? What a dolt.
And uh, why precisely did, I guess we should still call him "Nathan" for the time being, stay with the carnival after they blackmailed him by murdering the cop (for which he would be blamed)? Shouldn't he start to figure out how to use his powers to save himself from both the local authorities and the nutty mutant cult who are pretty much just holding him hostage at this point? Maybe he'll make a break for it next week?
Speaking of next week: Matt's story! Hello! And they better have a good explanation why he isn't already in DC, doing everything and anything to find "Nathan" and evict the nutcase in his head. Head-Sylar could brainwash Matt into believing he's doing just that...
Ratings news: incredibly, Heroes remains stable.
Ooooh no you don't! Nobody wants time travel!
The way the stupid writers could solve the time travel problem is to just have Peter and Hiro think about it for ten seconds and realize that they usually haven't been able to accomplish anything worthwhile thru time travel, while taking the risk of causing serious harm. Which makes more sense than a time traveller magically knowing exactly what to change in the past to fix everything without any nasty repercussions - that kind of antisceptic time travel should be extremely hard to pull off (and require Sylar's "seeing" power, which because it drives you insane, is off limits.)
It would be cool for them to have a seemingly amazing power like time travel at their disposal which in practice, is useless.
As for the new healing power, that could be wildly abused to goof up plots/make us all bitch when it's not used when it should. The solution is to hang onto the notion that that particular healing power can be a killing power if used carelessly, when you're under stress, etc. Presumably Jeremy's healing turned to killing because of the angst of adolescence (?) It would be good for Peter to hang onto the power, but realize that he has to be calm and focused when using it, or he could kill his patient, and that's not always going to be possible, especially for him.
Yeah that was a problem with the logic, but the writers attempted to gloss it over by giving Samuel an us-vs-them mentality towards normals that sorta kind could explain why he doesn't want to see a "brother" like Sylar as far more dangerous than the normals. And, just like Danko before him, Samuel is acting foolishly because of the temptation of controlling Sylar's vast powers.
Stories that focus on Sylar inevitably run into the problem of bad Sylar = repetitive and good Sylar = boring. Maybe Sylar just needs to be a maguffin other characters fight over.
I would.
He's a decent character. Hiro, Tracey and Claire need to go before he does.
Pro's: characters actually acting like they have something resembling interesting and unique motivations that make sense for who they are. Peter going off half-cocked to save Hiro's life (how well does he know Hiro, really, even after all this time?); Noah realizing that his career has been staring him in the face all this time; Samuel launching into a replay of Danko's folly from last season, thinking he can control Sylar and use his powers (and the carnival folk are just lucky that Sylar is too brainwashed to slaughter them all). Samuel comes off less foolish than Danko simply because of his "metahumans good, humans bad" blinders that prevent him from seeing Sylar for who he is.
I also liked Peter goofing up the teleportation power (ouch, not one you want to use carelessly) - there should be more done with the notion that these people aren't 100% perfect at using all their powers. And that he had the common sense not to glom that dratted time travel power instead.
Con's: Hiro and Emma are just plain boring. And Hiro's dippy statement that "there are no bad powers" encapsulates just why I have no respect for the character. What about Nikki and Sylar being driven insane by their powers? Maya's power wasn't bad? What a dolt.
And uh, why precisely did, I guess we should still call him "Nathan" for the time being, stay with the carnival after they blackmailed him by murdering the cop (for which he would be blamed)? Shouldn't he start to figure out how to use his powers to save himself from both the local authorities and the nutty mutant cult who are pretty much just holding him hostage at this point? Maybe he'll make a break for it next week?
Speaking of next week: Matt's story! Hello! And they better have a good explanation why he isn't already in DC, doing everything and anything to find "Nathan" and evict the nutcase in his head. Head-Sylar could brainwash Matt into believing he's doing just that...
Ratings news: incredibly, Heroes remains stable.
Ooooh no you don't! Nobody wants time travel!
The way the stupid writers could solve the time travel problem is to just have Peter and Hiro think about it for ten seconds and realize that they usually haven't been able to accomplish anything worthwhile thru time travel, while taking the risk of causing serious harm. Which makes more sense than a time traveller magically knowing exactly what to change in the past to fix everything without any nasty repercussions - that kind of antisceptic time travel should be extremely hard to pull off (and require Sylar's "seeing" power, which because it drives you insane, is off limits.)
It would be cool for them to have a seemingly amazing power like time travel at their disposal which in practice, is useless.
As for the new healing power, that could be wildly abused to goof up plots/make us all bitch when it's not used when it should. The solution is to hang onto the notion that that particular healing power can be a killing power if used carelessly, when you're under stress, etc. Presumably Jeremy's healing turned to killing because of the angst of adolescence (?) It would be good for Peter to hang onto the power, but realize that he has to be calm and focused when using it, or he could kill his patient, and that's not always going to be possible, especially for him.
You know, if the carnies help Sylar get his memory back knowing that he kills people with powers and takes him, won't he just massacre the entire "family"?
I guess Teabag is just stupid.
Yeah that was a problem with the logic, but the writers attempted to gloss it over by giving Samuel an us-vs-them mentality towards normals that sorta kind could explain why he doesn't want to see a "brother" like Sylar as far more dangerous than the normals. And, just like Danko before him, Samuel is acting foolishly because of the temptation of controlling Sylar's vast powers.
Stories that focus on Sylar inevitably run into the problem of bad Sylar = repetitive and good Sylar = boring. Maybe Sylar just needs to be a maguffin other characters fight over.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do something cheap like "kill Nathan" by having Sylar permanently re-installed in his body, pretending like they didn't kill Nathan before so they can get the PR value twice.
I would.
He's a decent character. Hiro, Tracey and Claire need to go before he does.
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I guess it was Average. Better than last week, for sure, but that's damning with faint praise. I think Temis covered most of it. However, I am glad they are getting the plot moving again. After a couple weeks of filler, we've got real story progress here. Character episodes would be nice and everything, if these characters weren't such inconsistently-written messes.
And I thought Hiro's whole arc this season was to "grow up" because he's dying? And here he is acting like a little kid. Again. Whatever.
Based on the preview for next week, looks like Temis was right all along. "Sylar" really is inside Matt's head, and the Carnie Gang's gotta go all out to get him back!
And I thought Hiro's whole arc this season was to "grow up" because he's dying? And here he is acting like a little kid. Again. Whatever.
Based on the preview for next week, looks like Temis was right all along. "Sylar" really is inside Matt's head, and the Carnie Gang's gotta go all out to get him back!
: Playing devil's advocate here... Nikki helped stop Sylar in the S1 finale and saved the kids in the S2 finale at the cost of her own life. Sylar was the only one who could kill Arthur Petrelli and save the world in S3. Maya was supposed to save the day in the if-there-was-no-strike Season Two by absorbing all of the Shanti Virus into herself and curing everyone infected at the cost of her own life.
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