HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams
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Before. But it seemed clear she was expecting to meet him there. And the Man in Black did say he knew where he had to go now, though I don't quite understand why he said that when he did.
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Escalante (the city buried by sand) is the key to the Maze; that's why The Man in Black went there.
Some people, like Kahless, clearly see that as confirmation that the "William = The Man in Black" theory is correct, but, as I noted, all it really confirms/clarifies is that, as speculated, we've been seeing multiple time frames thus far with regards to Dolores' story, with 2 of said time frames being her memories, meaning that she's essentially been living a "waking dream" where she's been retracing a journey she took in the past and the only times we've actually seen her in the present since Episode 3 were when Ford corralled her in Contrapasso, when we saw a flash of her on the train without William and El Lazo/Lawrence in, I believe, Tromp L'oeil, and when she went down into the bowels of the park and had an imagined conversation with Arnold towards the end of last night's episode.
Some people, like Kahless, clearly see that as confirmation that the "William = The Man in Black" theory is correct, but, as I noted, all it really confirms/clarifies is that, as speculated, we've been seeing multiple time frames thus far with regards to Dolores' story, with 2 of said time frames being her memories, meaning that she's essentially been living a "waking dream" where she's been retracing a journey she took in the past and the only times we've actually seen her in the present since Episode 3 were when Ford corralled her in Contrapasso, when we saw a flash of her on the train without William and El Lazo/Lawrence in, I believe, Tromp L'oeil, and when she went down into the bowels of the park and had an imagined conversation with Arnold towards the end of last night's episode.
No, "they" see it as even more evidence to what is already a mountain of evidence.
Some people, however, keep burying their head in the sand because they don't like the idea, and insist that it's all wrong, and anyone who doesn't agree, is a big poopy head stupid face who's not listening to the producers -- or even better -- "just got lucky" because there's no actual evidence at all. True story!
DigificWriter, with all due respect earlier in this thread you were accusing people of not paying attention when the multiple time frames (btw, I like that better than multiple timelines, more accurate) theory was proposed:
But now you now seem to be converted on that. Maybe you will get converted on the william=MiB theory after the next episode
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I have to admit if the Man in Black turns out to be an old William, it's going the be a letdown for me.
1) It's too obvious by now and wouldn't be much of a plot twist.
2) It would be too confusing. What's the past and what's the present? What's real and what's not? How much of the plot was just Dolores being in the present hallucinating her own forgotten past?
3) William is one of the most likeable characters and this revelation would destroy the character for me. Going from Dolores' lover and "protector" to basically to Dolores' recurring rapist is too cynical for me.
So I hope it's just one hell of a red hering.
1) It's too obvious by now and wouldn't be much of a plot twist.
2) It would be too confusing. What's the past and what's the present? What's real and what's not? How much of the plot was just Dolores being in the present hallucinating her own forgotten past?
3) William is one of the most likeable characters and this revelation would destroy the character for me. Going from Dolores' lover and "protector" to basically to Dolores' recurring rapist is too cynical for me.
So I hope it's just one hell of a red hering.
It does seem ever more likely that MiB is William, is this were a court of law I think the evidence would be hard to argue with. I'm still hopeful of some kind of twist that pulls the rug out from under us but I doubt we'll get it.
I watched the start of the pilot again last night and if William is MiB it will spoil the character a little. They've gone some way to softening MiB's edges in the last few weeks, but when he turns up at Delores farm he's vicious. I'm willing to accept that maybe he didn't drag her into the barn to rape her, but even if this wasn't the case he slaps her around and scares the shit out of her first.
My money's on Teddy being Wyatt.
I watched the start of the pilot again last night and if William is MiB it will spoil the character a little. They've gone some way to softening MiB's edges in the last few weeks, but when he turns up at Delores farm he's vicious. I'm willing to accept that maybe he didn't drag her into the barn to rape her, but even if this wasn't the case he slaps her around and scares the shit out of her first.
My money's on Teddy being Wyatt.
MiB's done something terrible over and over to Delores that has caused her to react negatively toward him. Maybe it is rape. If Delores didn't remember William in subsequent encounters, perhaps William/MiB felt that only negative reinforcement would awaken the consciousness of the Hosts. It was the death and carnage during the William scenes where Delores appeared to awaken the first time.
It seems the negative, violent encounters (Maeve watching her daughter be murdered by MiB, Delores being raped (we assume) and seeing her entire family slaughtered, etc...) are the only ones that the Hosts remember from cycle to cycle.
It seems the negative, violent encounters (Maeve watching her daughter be murdered by MiB, Delores being raped (we assume) and seeing her entire family slaughtered, etc...) are the only ones that the Hosts remember from cycle to cycle.
I think any time we see Dolores by herself it is probably her memory, any scene with just William and Logan without Dolores it is the actual past.
When the three are together in a scene, I'm not sure.
Yes and when he killed Lawrence (?)'s wife he said that on the verge of death/trauma was when consciousness formed. It may be that's what he's doing with Delores but as romances go it's not exactly Romeo and Juliette.
Have people seen this by the way? I know she defends the violence on the show but some of the things she's had to act must have been tough in hindsight.
Bernard's jacked.
The logic between those two points is more confusing to me. XD
Sorry, but that's an actual reality of the show right now, regardless of whether or not William is the Man in Black. It is absolutely confirmed that we're seeing events from different periods of time.
When did he ever rape her?
It has been. Just, clearly, not the way you think.
My new theory is that William = Abernathy and that's why he went nuts when he saw the photo. Just you wait and see!
I was surprised by that myself.
I wasn't happy with Williams "transformation" into the MIB if that's what it actually was. He and Logan get hammered and while Logan is passed out he goes on a murdering and dismembering spree? I hope that's not it.
Damn, that's horrible. Worse is the fact that she wasn't sure if it was rape with her "significant other" and that she initially blamed herself for the second rape. Both happen far too often to women.
I can't imagine how difficult it was for her to shoot those particular scenes.
Bernard must have faked his suicide. We didn't actually see it happen. And there's no way he can be dead after nine episodes, with one to go.
It's possible, but we did "see" it happen. We just don't know if it happened fatally, I suppose. We definitely saw him shoot himself though, complete with a cloud of red mist.
^ No, the flash of the gun going off, the red spray and the slightly out of focus figure of Bernard falling over were pretty strong visual evidence. Add to that the scene from the episode 10 teaser showing Clementine just standing in the darkened room still intact (but switched off) further reinforce the notion the Bernard carried through with Ford's commands and pulled the trigger.
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