Spoilers Hawkeye -Discussion Thread

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  1. StCoop

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    They did it with Monica in Wandavision first.
     
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  2. cooleddie74

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    That's right. A friend just informed me about that. But yeah, it's extremely rare to get the Snap from the perspective of one who's Blipped out of existence.
     
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  3. Saul

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    Great episode. Love this series. Hats off to Marvel. There is so much world building going on. It actually makes me want to see the Black Widow movie again.

    Just one thing though. I know she is hanging with an Avenger but I doubt Kate could just go around New York freely with that bow and arrows exposed.
     
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    I liked Yelena even more in this one episode than I did in Black Widow. That scene between her and Kate was terrific.

    They've been hinting at it for weeks, but now that it's confirmed, I'm so excited that Kingpin is officially in the MCU and that they brought back D'Onofrio to play him. Given this and Feige's recent comments about Charlie Cox, Matt Murdock's gotta show up in No Way Home, right?
     
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  5. John Clark

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    Loved the interactions between Kate and Yelena. I feel like one more episode is going to be a bit short to cover everything though:(
     
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  6. thribs

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    Maybe it ends on a cliffhanger and we get a season 2? Seems crazy to make new uniforms for one episode.
     
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  7. cooleddie74

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    Season 2 better happen.

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  8. Christopher

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    But what was that weird thing with the walls resurfacing themselves around her like some kind of time lapse? That didn't make any sense. She should've just seen them change instantaneously, between the instant she lost consciousness and the instant she regained it 5 years later.


    Daredevil season 1, WandaVision, and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier all waited until their finales to introduce their protagonists' new costumes. It's the norm by this point.

    And I'm pretty sure the intent here is to set Kate Bishop up as the new Hawkeye for future movies and such, so whatever new costume she gets here is probably setup for that, like how TF&tWS was setup for the fourth Captain America movie.
     
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  9. thribs

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    Difference there is that Daredevil was always planned to be a tv show with multiple seasons, and Wanda and Falcon were going to be in movies afterwards. I don’t know the plan for Hawkeye yet.
     
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  10. Myko

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    I would not see it as impossible that Clint dies in the next episode. To show how scary Kingpin is maybe.
     
  11. cooleddie74

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    I guess the walls resurfacing themselves was just the producers' way of showing the passage of five years without things suddenly popping into place, which would look sillier and more jarring. It's just one of those Hollywood tropes: show the passage of time more gradually than it would likely happen in reality were you to make a temporal jump forward or backward when everything would switch instantaneously.

    There's more drama in watching the surface pattern on a bathroom wall morph than just change instantly.
     
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  12. Christopher

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    Most of the Disney+ series so far have been setting up characters for future movies or the like. I see no reason to assume this show is any different, given that it's overtly an origin story for Kate Bishop as Hawkeye.


    There could be a less silly way to create that kind of transition, though. I'd imagine that getting physically dissolved would have an effect on one's perceptions -- your vision would blur, you'd probably see weird flashes of light as your optic nerves dissolved, then it would fade to black. And when the process was reversed, you'd get something similar the other way around, and be disoriented until you got your bearings, as if you'd blacked out for a moment. So they could've depicted such a gradual, disorienting transition in a way that was clearly internal to Yelena's perceptions, rather than artificially presented as a real-time transformation of the external environment.
     
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    That was hugely enjoyable. I thought Steinfeld and Pugh were great in that scene, and I agree Yelena going out of the window like that was hella cool. She's very funny.

    Renner was great again. As I've said before an actor I don't always like in stuff but he's been awesome in this. 5 episodes down and not a duff moment so far. Let's hope episode 6 sticks the landing.

    Definitely my second favourite series after WandaVision (and to be honest it's catching up by the episode) and I never saw that coming.
     
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  14. cooleddie74

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    If you'd have told me in 2012 that I'd one day consider Hawkeye one of the best and most interesting Avengers I'd have thought you were crazy. Renner sells his role so well, though, that he is in many ways the most human and normal of the entire group and I can buy a guy with incredible archery and combat skills running around a big city trying to stop evil before coming home to his wife and kids sore and sighing but glad he accomplished something good that day.
     
  15. Jayson1

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    No way do they kill him off. I think he gets his happy ending of being home for Christmas. I think Kate is the one who gets the tragic ending of this series and her mom gets killed. She finally starts to learn the price of what it means to be a weapon as Clint calls himself. Speaking of Kingpin but I understand this new character who is death is going to have a tv series. If she has her own show and is connected to Kingpin then I wonder if we might see more of him as a regular on that series. I also have a feeling we are going to be getting new seasons of Daredevil as well only they might be different if they aren't using he Netflix stuff as canon.
     
  16. FreezeC77

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    I don't think it will... But they could go dark on the ending.

    Clint gunned down on his doorstep on Christmas as we see Kingpin getting the confirmation on a phone call. Clint enters his house as we hear Christmas music playing and the entire house explodes.

    Latter could be revealed later on to be an intentional way to get off the radar.
     
  17. Reverend

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    Something that's been bothering me since the first episode that this latest one just brought into focus is Laura's role in all of this. Her reaction and indeed, wholehearted support for Clint going full vigilante to put and end to this has convinced me even more that her history is a lot more important than we've been led to believe. Indeed, she may have been the target in this plot all along.

    Someone clearly wanted that watch (Probably Kingpin), and Clint is adamant it'll somehow blow the cover of someone close to him (Laura, presumably.) Also consider that aside from Tony's funeral, we've NEVER seen her away from the family's ranch. Even in this show, she was at home (wherever that is) while her kids and husband were in New York. Almost as if she couldn't go there. Also from her conversation with Clint, it's heavily implied she knows full well who "the big guy" is and the implications thereof. Said "big guy" being the one that almost certainly wanted that watch, So could Laura have a history with Kingpin serious enough that he's the reason she's been in hiding all this time? The real reason Fury kept all record of her and Clint's home off SHIELD's books?
    I'm still not 100% sure she's Mockingbird, but I'm more sure than I was last week.

    Well yes and no. Technically she slept through it so wasn't really aware, whereas Yelena was fully conscious. So the experience is a little different and more instantly unsettling.
     
  18. The Nth Doctor

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    Oh. My. Gods.

    Hawkeye did it!

    The show actually did it!

    Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin is officially a part of the MCU!

    Yeah, yeah, it might be a "variation" of his Kingpin, but unless there's something *directly* contradictory, I'm going to keep on believe the Netflix shows are back in the fold.

    Even if there *is* contradictory evidence, I'm still going to believe it!

    But that's just the final shot. As for the rest of the episode, I loved every second of Yelena. She's such a great character and I'm thrilled she has finally arrived on the show, misguided as she might be.

    Plus, this is the first time we've seen both sides of the Blip from the perspective of someone who was Snapped. Yes, we saw Monica's perspective but only her Return. This time around, we got to see the full experience and how jarring it was for Yelena. I hope we get to see that again if the opportunity presents itself.

    This was also the first time we've gotten a prologue...and then the "Previously on..." sequence, which was very weird. I get why they did it but it was still jarring and I think it was a bad idea.

    Coming back to Kingpin, the cat is out of the bag: Eleanor is the actual bad guy and she undoubtedly framed Jack, just as everyone expected. This final episode should be excellent. :D
     
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  19. Christopher

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    I dunno, I think it was an interesting variation on the normal formula. And it was appropriate, because the opening scene with Yelena and the Widows wasn't really a part of Hawkeye, more a sort of Black Widow epilogue (or interpolation, since it's set before that film's post-credits scene). So it felt right to set it apart from the episode proper, even before the Marvel Studios title card.
     
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  20. JD

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    This was a great episode.
    It was interesting to finally see exactly what someone who was snapped experienced.
    The Yelena/Kate scene was my favorite scene in the entire series so far.
    I've been suspicious of Eleanor since the beginning, so it was nice to get confirmation.
    I know we've already been theorizing that Kingpin would show up, but I still wasn't convinced we'd get more than a small hint, so I admit I let out a little yelp when they actually called him Kingpin and show D'Onofrio in the picture. I loved Daredevil, and his take on Fisk, and I'm really, really looking forward to him hopefully showing up in person next week.
    I'm curious how exactly Eleanor hiring Yelena to kill Clint ties into her being hired by Valentina. Did Valentina just hire her out to Eleanor, or is this all a bigger part of whatever it is that she's working on?