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Have you noticed how "Yesteryear" influnced Star Trek XI?

If Abrams and his cohorts took the time to watch Yesteryear, then you'd think they'd watch other TAS episodes and incorporate elements from other episodes.
Like: Captain. Robert. Fucking. April.

Commander Robert April was serving as Chief Engineer aboard the U.S.S. Kelvin when, on stardate 2233.04, an unknown hostile of unspeakable firepower appeared out of nowhere and opened fire on the ship. Tragically, April was one of the first casualties, blown into space when the engineering hull ruptured.

Without April's engineering expertise, the Constitution-class starship would linger at the design phase for an extra thirteen years. In the Prime timeline, April was able to overcome certain design obstacles that eluded his peers; a feat which, along with his commanding presence, earned him a seat in the captain's chair when the second Constitution-class vessel, U.S.S. Enterprise was launched.

Got a problem with April not being in the film? Take it up with Nero.
 
then I assume you don't have any awe for Gene Roddenberry? just checking because he "essentially cribbed" the basics of TOS from Forbidden Planet. he even gave it credit.

writers (and all artists) all over the world have derived inspiration (or, as you so delicately put it, "cribbed") from sources prior to their own creation. it's nothing new and it's not plagiarism.

now, if you can point to plagiarism in this case, I'd be interested.

There is a huge difference between "this inspired me", "it's a similar idea to...", "it's the same premise as X, but here's how it's different...", and huge pieces lifted, whole cloth, from work someone else did.

I am an amateur writer, I know a lot about how people exchange ideas, use similar characters, plots, etc while still managing to create a story that's uniquely theirs. That, I don't take issue with, that's a natural part of the creative process.

But, to use entire scenes straight out of someone else's work, that's bullshit.

And no, JJ and crew making a Trek flick doesn't bother me. What they did with it pisses me off. They paid to be involved, Paramount let them, that's there business decision to make as it's their property. Crap like Wicked and the Looking Glass War really sets me off though, because those hacks are basing their entire careers on the property of long dead authors. Sure, it's still public domain, but those guys are still unoriginal hacks.

There's a difference between a reference and cribbing. When Scotty mentions Admiral Archer's dog, that's a reference; when entire chunks of dialog, costuming, and scenes are taken (with very minor changes), that's cribbing.

Sure, it's all Trek and it's not the first (or last) time something like this will happen. But come on, the genuflecting for how brilliant this film is, and by extension JJ and the writers are, is getting a bit tiresome.

They're not brilliant for mashing a bunch of other peoples' words and ideas into a script and writing maybe 10% of their own stuff for it.

Come back here and comment when you attain professional status like Orci and Kurtzman. Otherwise it's just amateur mewling from the sidelines.

Same could be said of you...so stop your "mewling"....



They get paid to write. You don't. Few things are more annoying than dillettantes acting like they know shit.

Yeah how the hell do you know what Overgeeked gets paid for or not...and besides that point is moot. You're going to tell me that every quality thing that's ever been written is only generated when someone is paid for it?


I've actually been paid quite a bit to write. Great assumption on your part. They are "professionals" because they make their living by writing. I'm an "amateur" because I still have a job on the side.

Well, when you start writing multi-million dollar films, come back and talk. Otherwise it's just petty bullshit that doesn't even make it to the level of professional jealousy.

Now this made me really LOL...so you equate excellent writing with multi-million dollar films? You're more lost than I thought! What the fuck are you so enraged about.....I mean seriously.
 
Now this made me really LOL...so you equate excellent writing with multi-million dollar films? You're more lost than I thought! What the fuck are you so enraged about.....I mean seriously.

Where do I equate excellent writing with multi-million dollar films? Where do I even discuss whether or not the writing for this film being in any way 'excellent'?

Are you dense, or just blind?
 
Indranee

My attitude: What of it? I don't like this film, it's riddled with plot holes, I've made no qualms about stating that opinion. If you don't like that, too bad. Welcome to the net. If you're referring to my reluctance to your request for personal info about me so you can pour over it before giving your stamp of approval so that I can have your permission to have an opinion, again, too bad.

Yesteryear in ST11: Here's one article that touches on it. The most relevant section being...

Article said:
In a scene used directly in the new Star Trek movie, young Spock is severely taunted by his classmates for being half-human. They were bullying him and they were racist; he fought back with raw anger, similar to Rorschach in Watchmen (1986), when his mother is taunted by bullies. The young Spock portrayed in the movie was directly influenced by this cartoon.

This line from "Yesteryear" is nearly identical to one from ST11...

Old Spock to Young Spock in Yesteryear said:
"What you do not yet understand, Spock, is that Vulcans do not lack emotion. It is only that ours is controlled. Logic offers a serenity humans seldom experience in full. We have emotions, but we deal with them… and do not let them control us."

This bit is in both the Sarek to Young Spock after the fight scene, and Old Spock to Kirk on the ice planet scene.
 
Now this made me really LOL...so you equate excellent writing with multi-million dollar films? You're more lost than I thought! What the fuck are you so enraged about.....I mean seriously.

Where do I equate excellent writing with multi-million dollar films? Where do I even discuss whether or not the writing for this film being in any way 'excellent'?

Are you dense, or just blind?

Well I'm afraid your adjectives must be applied to yourself in this case....because you see that little ??? at the end of the sentence...that means it's a question! QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT...GOT IT?

So actually it looks like your dense...but your in such a rush to reply with your snotty comments that you're not taking the time to read...unless you're dense or blind then that would explain the lack of comprehension on your part. And I'm not speaking about this film....but multi million $ films in general. Where do I mention anything about this film? Where do I discuss that..

You best check yourself or someone's gonna do it for you....

Now do try to play nice or else I'm going to have to put you in the corner with the dunce cap again....naked.
 
The final refuge of all internet bigmouths - ' It's my opinion! '

Call us when you have your name and your face to a piece of work that's been put out there for all to comment on so we can judge for ourselves the wonderful talent you have so as to be able to put a value on that 'opinion' of yours. Otherwise it's just bullshit. And pretty cowardly bullshit at that.

Pot meet kettle.
<snip>
Pot, Kettle - how about the two of you dial back the the sniping at each other and get back to the topic, okay?

Edit: You, too, Cakes.
 
The final refuge of all internet bigmouths - ' It's my opinion! '

Call us when you have your name and your face to a piece of work that's been put out there for all to comment on so we can judge for ourselves the wonderful talent you have so as to be able to put a value on that 'opinion' of yours. Otherwise it's just bullshit. And pretty cowardly bullshit at that.

Pot meet kettle.
<snip>
Pot, Kettle - how about the two of you dial back the the sniping at each other and get back to the topic, okay?

Edit: You, too, Cakes.

I'm more of a kettle myself. But I guess we all look alike to you, racist.
 
Well I'm afraid your adjectives must be applied to yourself in this case....because you see that little ??? at the end of the sentence...that means it's a question! QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT...GOT IT?

Sorry, but that's such weaselly bullshit, it just broke the disingenuous meter.

How aggro for such a dunce. I never once claimed that excellent writing is synonymous with any multi-million dollar film. The fact that you can bring it up would imply the person with comprehension problems would be yourself, or that you require some sort of straw man to knock over to prove something to yourself.
 
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Well I'm afraid your adjectives must be applied to yourself in this case....because you see that little ??? at the end of the sentence...that means it's a question! QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT...GOT IT?

Sorry, but that's such weaselly bullshit, it just broke the disingenuous meter.

How aggro for such a dunce. I never once claimed that excellent writing is synonymous with any multi-million dollar film. The fact that you can bring it up would imply the person with comprehension problems would be yourself.

Gee Wilikers and a Golly Gee! What did you have for breakfast this morning...some BITCH BRAN??? (See how I'm asking if you had bitch bran...I'm not saying that you did...that is called a question!) Or maybe you've run out of tea and your knickers are all in a bunch...is that it luv? I didn't say you equated excellent writing w/ multi million dollar films...I was asking you if you did. At that point you would of said "no Cakes I do not"...instead you verbally threw up on me...if you're going to be nasty please at least be humorous -- so basically you just have nothing at all going for you... poor chap. :(

But since you can't read and you can comprehend....this "conversation" can go no further. You'll have to play all by yourself..... again..as usual...because nobody wants to be in your company. Good Day Sir.
 
Pot meet kettle.
<snip>
Pot, Kettle - how about the two of you dial back the the sniping at each other and get back to the topic, okay?

Edit: You, too, Cakes.

I'm more of a kettle myself. But I guess we all look alike to you, racist.

You need to watch how you talk to the moderator....they'll kick you and your shenanagins right outta here. You need to have some respect.... Nobody talks to M'Sharak that way while I'm around...NOBODY!

And now I'll stop with the sniping...you know why...because I have respect for M'Sharak and if he asks me to stop...I stop (mostly)....
 
Well I'm afraid your adjectives must be applied to yourself in this case....because you see that little ??? at the end of the sentence...that means it's a question! QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT...GOT IT?

Sorry, but that's such weaselly bullshit, it just broke the disingenuous meter.

How aggro for such a dunce. I never once claimed that excellent writing is synonymous with any multi-million dollar film. The fact that you can bring it up would imply the person with comprehension problems would be yourself.

Gee Wilikers and a Golly Gee! What did you have for breakfast this morning...some BITCH BRAN??? (See how I'm asking if you had bitch bran...I'm not saying that you did...that is called a question!) Or maybe you've run out of tea and your knickers are all in a bunch...is that it luv? I didn't say you equated excellent writing w/ multi million dollar films...I was asking you if you did. At that point you would of said "no Cakes I do not"...instead you verbally threw up on me...if you're going to be nasty please at least be humorous -- so basically you just have nothing at all going for you... poor chap. :(

But since you can't read and you can comprehend....this "conversation" can go no further. You'll have to play all by yourself..... again..as usual...because nobody wants to be in your company. Good Day Sir.

Ah yes. The old ' Good day, SIR' gambit by nerdy pukes who think it preserves the superiority and redemption of their internet persona. How cute.
 
No it's actually from that 70's show....so is that all ya got...nerdy pukes...?
But hey thanks for callin me cute...at least that's one thing you've gotten right for today!

Love Cakes xoxoxoxoxooxxoxo
 
Nobody talks to M'Sharak that way while I'm around...NOBODY!
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An oleaginous bootlicker, or is that inveterate assklsser, ta boot!

My post to M'Sharak was a joke. It must suck to have your comprehension compromised in the absence of emoticons.
 
No it's actually from that 70's show....so is that all ya got...nerdy pukes...?
But hey thanks for callin me cute...at least that's one thing you've gotten right for today!

Love Cakes xoxoxoxoxooxxoxo

Hey hey..what happened to 'I stop when M'Sharak tells me to stop'? Or is that bullshit too?
 
Well since we all know you're reading comprehension is lacking...I'll review for you again!

This is what I said:
And now I'll stop with the sniping...you know why...because I have respect for M'Sharak and if he asks me to stop...I stop (mostly)....

See that mostly part right there....hmmmm I REST MY CASE.
 
The final refuge of all internet bigmouths - ' It's my opinion! '

Call us when you have your name and your face to a piece of work that's been put out there for all to comment on so we can judge for ourselves the wonderful talent you have so as to be able to put a value on that 'opinion' of yours. Otherwise it's just bullshit. And pretty cowardly bullshit at that.

Pot meet kettle.
<snip>
Pot, Kettle - how about the two of you dial back the the sniping at each other and get back to the topic, okay?

Edit: You, too, Cakes.

I'm more of a kettle myself. But I guess we all look alike to you, racist.
Have it your way, then:

Well I'm afraid your adjectives must be applied to yourself in this case....because you see that little ??? at the end of the sentence...that means it's a question! QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT...GOT IT?

Sorry, but that's such weaselly bullshit, it just broke the disingenuous meter.

How aggro for such a dunce. I never once claimed that excellent writing is synonymous with any multi-million dollar film. The fact that you can bring it up would imply the person with comprehension problems would be yourself, or that you require some sort of straw man to knock over to prove something to yourself.
Warning for flaming. Comments to PM.

Sorry, but that's such weaselly bullshit, it just broke the disingenuous meter.

How aggro for such a dunce. I never once claimed that excellent writing is synonymous with any multi-million dollar film. The fact that you can bring it up would imply the person with comprehension problems would be yourself.

Gee Wilikers and a Golly Gee! What did you have for breakfast this morning...some BITCH BRAN??? (See how I'm asking if you had bitch bran...I'm not saying that you did...that is called a question!) Or maybe you've run out of tea and your knickers are all in a bunch...is that it luv? I didn't say you equated excellent writing w/ multi million dollar films...I was asking you if you did. At that point you would of said "no Cakes I do not"...instead you verbally threw up on me...if you're going to be nasty please at least be humorous -- so basically you just have nothing at all going for you... poor chap. :(

But since you can't read and you can comprehend....this "conversation" can go no further. You'll have to play all by yourself..... again..as usual...because nobody wants to be in your company. Good Day Sir.

Ah yes. The old ' Good day, SIR' gambit by nerdy pukes who think it preserves the superiority and redemption of their internet persona. How cute.
"Nerdy pukes" really didn't help, either. If you can't carry on a discussion without resorting to name-calling, then perhaps the best thing for you to do would be to take a break.

Cakes, I ought to give you a warning for keeping going when asked to knock it off. It could still happen.

Everyone, back on topic, now, and cool it with the personal jabs.
 
Do people not really understand how the writing of something like Star Trek works? It hardly theft, when you have rights to the entire franchise at your finger tips. If the writers lifted material from a non Trek source it would be different.
 

Come back here and comment when you attain professional status like Orci and Kurtzman. Otherwise it's just amateur mewling from the sidelines.

Same could be said of you...so stop your "mewling"....

Well I'm afraid your adjectives must be applied to yourself in this case....because you see that little ??? at the end of the sentence...that means it's a question! QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT...GOT IT?

Sorry, but that's such weaselly bullshit, it just broke the disingenuous meter.

How aggro for such a dunce. I never once claimed that excellent writing is synonymous with any multi-million dollar film. The fact that you can bring it up would imply the person with comprehension problems would be yourself.

Gee Wilikers and a Golly Gee! What did you have for breakfast this morning...some BITCH BRAN??? (See how I'm asking if you had bitch bran...I'm not saying that you did...that is called a question!) Or maybe you've run out of tea and your knickers are all in a bunch...is that it luv? I didn't say you equated excellent writing w/ multi million dollar films...I was asking you if you did. At that point you would of said "no Cakes I do not"...instead you verbally threw up on me...if you're going to be nasty please at least be humorous -- so basically you just have nothing at all going for you... poor chap. :(

But since you can't read and you can comprehend....this "conversation" can go no further. You'll have to play all by yourself..... again..as usual...because nobody wants to be in your company. Good Day Sir.

Pot, Kettle - how about the two of you dial back the the sniping at each other and get back to the topic, okay?

Edit: You, too, Cakes.

I'm more of a kettle myself. But I guess we all look alike to you, racist.

You need to watch how you talk to the moderator....they'll kick you and your shenanagins right outta here. You need to have some respect.... Nobody talks to M'Sharak that way while I'm around...NOBODY!

And now I'll stop with the sniping...you know why...because I have respect for M'Sharak and if he asks me to stop...I stop (mostly)....

No it's actually from that 70's show....so is that all ya got...nerdy pukes...?
But hey thanks for callin me cute...at least that's one thing you've gotten right for today!

Love Cakes xoxoxoxoxooxxoxo

Well since we all know you're reading comprehension is lacking...I'll review for you again!

This is what I said:
And now I'll stop with the sniping...you know why...because I have respect for M'Sharak and if he asks me to stop...I stop (mostly)....

See that mostly part right there....hmmmm I REST MY CASE.
You should have quit before, but you kept on going, baiting and making insinuations about reading comprehension, after having been asked to stop. And don't pretend that cmdrbolly started it with "dense, or just blind?" You waded into him in the earlier part of your post to which he was responding with "Same could be said of you...so stop your "mewling"...."

You've shown a tendency to get too personal in responding to a challenge and to escalate with lots of posturing and taunting; you continued it here for several more posts after having been asked by a moderator to stop. It now earns you a warning. Comments to PM.
 
Do people not really understand how the writing of something like Star Trek works? It hardly theft, when you have rights to the entire franchise at your finger tips. If the writers lifted material from a non Trek source it would be different.

It's a shared world. I said cribbed. Not theft, not stealing, not plagiarism.

Yes, all those writers are Trek writers, all of 'em are on a work-for-hire basis, and none have any rights to the work they've done (except maybe Harlan). But to congratulate Orci and Kurtzman for writing a bang up script, when so many bits are found in other writers' work is disingenuous at least.
 
Do people not really understand how the writing of something like Star Trek works? It hardly theft, when you have rights to the entire franchise at your finger tips. If the writers lifted material from a non Trek source it would be different.

It's a shared world. I said cribbed. Not theft, not stealing, not plagiarism.

Yes, all those writers are Trek writers, all of 'em are on a work-for-hire basis, and none have any rights to the work they've done (except maybe Harlan). But to congratulate Orci and Kurtzman for writing a bang up script, when so many bits are found in other writers' work is disingenuous at least.
Cribbed means to steal or plagerize.

They can write a "bang up script" using bits from other sources. The two do not have to be mutally exclusive.

Other than the Yesteryear bit what else did they "crib." I know there were a few homages, but thats not a bad thing.
 
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