Have you noticed how "Yesteryear" influnced Star Trek XI?
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I thought somebody re-canonized it, though.
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It should have stayed de-canonized.
True. I didn't even know TAS existed 2 weeks ago, much less that it was considered as TOS fourth seasona lot of people here haven't watched TOS, much less TAS
Should receive the DVDs this week and I'll watch them after I'm finished with rewatching TOS. That's not going to happen fast since I've watched "Amok Time" only yesterday (that episode is awesome).
So you're a new TOS fan after seeing the movie? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with TAS...
Let's not get crazy here...of course they rebooted Star Trek to make money...that is the number one reason...maybe even the only reason...either it makes money or its gone. They paid attention to these details because they work and it fits in with the story they're trying to convey..... And Overgeeked brings up a good point too...you can either look at it as them doing their homework and paying homage.....or you can view them as rip off writers taking elements from others work....Hmmmmm makes you think...
so which Jeri are you talking about? Taylor or Ryan?
True. I didn't even know TAS existed 2 weeks ago, much less that it was considered as TOS fourth seasona lot of people here haven't watched TOS, much less TAS
Should receive the DVDs this week and I'll watch them after I'm finished with rewatching TOS. That's not going to happen fast since I've watched "Amok Time" only yesterday (that episode is awesome).
So you're a new TOS fan after seeing the movie? I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with TAS...
Let's not get crazy here...of course they rebooted Star Trek to make money...that is the number one reason...maybe even the only reason...either it makes money or its gone. They paid attention to these details because they work and it fits in with the story they're trying to convey..... And Overgeeked brings up a good point too...you can either look at it as them doing their homework and paying homage.....or you can view them as rip off writers taking elements from others work....Hmmmmm makes you think...
I think by now many of those writers are grateful to be ripped off of...
I think Minuialeth is an old TOS fan. she's been re-watching TOS again, from scratch.
I think they'd be more grateful if they got some money sent their way, LOL.
I've noticed that there has been an increase in TOS interest after this movie...even my friends bratty 19yr old kid who said Trek wasn't for him...stuck around and watched Doomsday....after the ep was over he said "yo, star trek is the shit"...and I said it's always been the shit son.
I've noticed that there has been an increase in TOS interest after this movie...even my friends bratty 19yr old kid who said Trek wasn't for him...stuck around and watched Doomsday....after the ep was over he said "yo, star trek is the shit"...and I said it's always been the shit son.
Ryan.
If Abrams and his cohorts took the time to watch Yesteryear, then you'd think they'd watch other TAS episodes and incorporate elements from other episodes.
Like: Captain. Robert. Fucking. April.
Or at the very least: including Lt. Arex.
Like: Captain. Robert. Fucking. April.
Or at the very least: including Lt. Arex.
Thanks indranee for replying in my stead while I was watching "Mirror, Mirror"
I'm a long time ST fan. When I first watched TOS I was 7 years old, and then a teenager the second time. I've also seen all of TNG and DS9 but only VOY's pilot and nothing of ENT (not aired on mainstream TV here).
I'm currently re-watching TOS after 20 years. I am STILL enjoying it.
Note that I said that it wasn't only to make money, suggesting that it was the main reason but not the only one. I sometimes tend to view the world through rose colored glasses but I'm not that naive
Thanks indranee for replying in my stead while I was watching "Mirror, Mirror"
I'm a long time ST fan. When I first watched TOS I was 7 years old, and then a teenager the second time. I've also seen all of TNG and DS9 but only VOY's pilot and nothing of ENT (not aired on mainstream TV here).
I'm currently re-watching TOS after 20 years. I am STILL enjoying it.
Note that I said that it wasn't only to make money, suggesting that it was the main reason but not the only one. I sometimes tend to view the world through rose colored glasses but I'm not that naive
How could you of went 20years with no TOS! In between the VHS's and the DVD's I did have a little lull there...but isn't it great re-watching them...it's like seeing old friends again! Those rose colored glasses must be the TOS influence in your life....
. I think the main reason of the movie is to make money...I don't think there are any other real reasons....it would be nice if that weren't the case...but being a jaded New Yorker...can't help but think that way 
^^ As said a few posts above, Star Trek is not that big in France... I remember TOS VHS started to be available around 1996. And I'm not even sure the whole series had ever been released on that format. Imports was the way to go. We had to wait for the overpriced DVD sets (how can I forget 90-110€ apiece! 
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snort then an awful lot of trek writers are guilty since yesteryear and the other tas episodes have been referenced alot.
and yesteryear itself used the guardian.
Yeah, I have to confess not understanding the awe for writers who essentially cribbed things from someone else's work -- not just the idea, but nearly the same words. Is it the idea that they had actually seen TAS?
then I assume you don't have any awe for Gene Roddenberry? just checking because he "essentially cribbed" the basics of TOS from Forbidden Planet. he even gave it credit.
writers (and all artists) all over the world have derived inspiration (or, as you so delicately put it, "cribbed") from sources prior to their own creation. it's nothing new and it's not plagiarism.
now, if you can point to plagiarism in this case, I'd be interested.
I did notice there were some similarities.
Overall the film reminded me of some of the best "Star Trek" books. I mean that in a very positive way. Many of the books have been better than most things we have seen on screen since the Shatner/Nimoy era.
There is a huge difference between "this inspired me", "it's a similar idea to...", "it's the same premise as X, but here's how it's different...", and huge pieces lifted, whole cloth, from work someone else did.
I am an amateur writer, I know a lot about how people exchange ideas, use similar characters, plots, etc while still managing to create a story that's uniquely theirs. That, I don't take issue with, that's a natural part of the creative process.
But, to use entire scenes straight out of someone else's work, that's bullshit.
And no, JJ and crew making a Trek flick doesn't bother me. What they did with it pisses me off. They paid to be involved, Paramount let them, that's there business decision to make as it's their property. Crap like Wicked and the Looking Glass War really sets me off though, because those hacks are basing their entire careers on the property of long dead authors. Sure, it's still public domain, but those guys are still unoriginal hacks.
There's a difference between a reference and cribbing. When Scotty mentions Admiral Archer's dog, that's a reference; when entire chunks of dialog, costuming, and scenes are taken (with very minor changes), that's cribbing.
Sure, it's all Trek and it's not the first (or last) time something like this will happen. But come on, the genuflecting for how brilliant this film is, and by extension JJ and the writers are, is getting a bit tiresome.
They're not brilliant for mashing a bunch of other peoples' words and ideas into a script and writing maybe 10% of their own stuff for it.
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