Have any of the novels ever just made you mad? (

[ProtoAvatar]

Is it right to commit genocide to stop someone else committing genocide against you? Because that is what this argument boils down to, regardless of the weapons used (or not used).

Using the thalaron weapon against the borg is not genocide:

The borg in tha alpha/beta quadrants - all of them - are enemy soldiers on a genocidal mission against your civilization.
Using thalaron or any other weapons against them is pure self defence - allowed by both morals and the rules of war.

 

[BrotherBenny]

Was that a result of the usage of the Thalaron weapon or was that because a phaser beam was shot into the chamber just before it discharged? Because I saw no issues when the smaller device was used in the Romulan Senate chamber.

It may have been too small. Remember that the Romulans, and probably the Scimitar, use a quantum singularity to power their vessels. This may have contributed to the "Great Bloom." Since we're not entirely sure what the Borg use to power their vessels, the resultant explosion could have caused more or less damage, but it would have torn a hole in subspace, perhaps causing a subspace eddy as seen in Voyager.

 

[Rush Limborg]

He's likely got you on ignore. He certainly has me on it.

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(Sorry.... Looks like my only shot at reconciliation is a convention encounter....)

 

[JarodRussell]

Nah, I don't think he has anyone on his ignore list. Ignore lists are for spoiled kids, it's the peak of childish behavior on message boards.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Well, to be fair--from what I've heard from folks who do use it--it's a nice tool when some obnoxious spammer just uses his/her account to only start fights, and so on....

I dunno. I have yet to really use it. (There are times when I've been tempted...but no.)

And I am not an "obnoxious spammer", as far as I know.

 

[ares93]

Well, to be fair--from what I've heard from folks who do use it--it's a nice tool when some obnoxious spammer just uses his/her account to only start fights, and so on....

I dunno. I have yet to really use it. (There are times when I've been tempted...but no.)

And I am not an "obnoxious spammer", as far as I know.

you're no spammer Rush. you just have the bad habit of being right too often for some people's taste.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Well, to be fair--from what I've heard from folks who do use it--it's a nice tool when some obnoxious spammer just uses his/her account to only start fights, and so on....

I dunno. I have yet to really use it. (There are times when I've been tempted...but no.)

And I am not an "obnoxious spammer", as far as I know.

you're no spammer Rush. you just have the bad habit of being right too often for some people's taste.

Dang "Right"!

Thanks, BTW.

 

[JD]

As for thalaron weapons being 'biogenic'...

Yeah, you're right. David Mack is a hack. And we're all stupid for liking "Destiny". There. I'm done.

"stupid"? Hardly.

You're just willing to forgive glaring inconsistancies (you've all but admitted this), grit, character destruction - if you find part of the books as good.

We're not forgiving any of those things because they never happened in Destiny or any of the other recent books... exept maybe Before Before Dishonor, but alot of people don't like that one, myself included.

As for this whole Christopher, I've never had a problem with him, and I really think that if the rest of you could just accept the way the he posts and just move on things would be alot better. I don't remember ever actually seeing the him start any fights, all I've seen is people overreacting when he tries to correct a mistake. I understand he could probably word things a little better, but if you guys would just calm the hell down things would not end up getting so nasty so often.

 

[Nardpuncher]

Yeah, you're right. David Mack is a hack. And we're all stupid for liking "Destiny". There. I'm done.

"stupid"? Hardly.

You're just willing to forgive glaring inconsistancies (you've all but admitted this), grit, character destruction - if you find part of the books as good.

We're not forgiving any of those things because they never happened in Destiny or any of the other recent books... exept maybe Before Before Dishonor, but alot of people don't like that one, myself included.

As for this whole Christopher, I've never had a problem with him, and I really think that if the rest of you could just accept the way the he posts and just move on things would be alot better. I don't remember ever actually seeing the him start any fights, all I've seen is people overreacting when he tries to correct a mistake. I understand he could probably word things a little better, but if you guys would just calm the hell down things would not end up getting so nasty so often.

Don't make straw men. I'm speaking for myself but I can also tell that the others that posted on this never get angry at Christopher. You said it yourself that he just needs to word things better.
No one said he starts fights either.

I've said it before, he seems like he'd surely be a nice guy and everything, but as Trek/sci-fi fans, we've all met (or maybe we are!) one who could use, well, a little refinement on their communication skills.
Very minor stuff, like starting a sentence with 'actually' after someone else has expressed an innocuous opinion, thus making it look like the first person's harmless opinion was wrong. I really don't want to go on too long as it will make it look like I'm too concerned.
Again, only love for the guy.

 

[Thestral]

I should add is that even though I'm sure Christopher would be a neat guy to chat with as he is very knowledgeable, it wouldn't be a good thing if he started sentences with "Actually..." a lot in what we call real life.

This is the Internet, not real life. Etiquette is different here. Deal with it.

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Also... this argument is still going on?!

 

[Nardpuncher]

I should add is that even though I'm sure Christopher would be a neat guy to chat with as he is very knowledgeable, it wouldn't be a good thing if he started sentences with "Actually..." a lot in what we call real life.

This is the Internet, not real life. Etiquette is different here. Deal with it.

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Also... this argument is still going on?!

I think we need this:


[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcZ85YoeR6w&p=43ACD95AEDD178F8&playnext=1&index=40[/yt]

 

[ares93]

truthfully, i believe one of these would be more suitable.

 

[ProtoAvatar]

Yeah, you're right. David Mack is a hack. And we're all stupid for liking "Destiny". There. I'm done.

"stupid"? Hardly.

You're just willing to forgive glaring inconsistancies (you've all but admitted this), grit, character destruction - if you find part of the books as good.

We're not forgiving any of those things because they never happened in Destiny or any of the other recent books... exept maybe Before Before Dishonor, but alot of people don't like that one, myself included.

Really, JD?

In a previous thread, in responding to 'Destiny' being called genocide-chic, you only managed to argument that the follwing books are not.
In this thread, I showed how Picard's character was trashed, some really BIG inconsistrenies - the thalaron isssue, for example -, etc.
And I showed as unconvincing the posted countertarguments.

O, I'm sure that, in your responding post, you'll either say something like "'Destiny' has no grit, etc because I say so" or you'll reformulate already posted counterarguments.
None of which changing the fact that 'Destiny' features grit, character destruction, inconsistencies, an ending that wants to be uplifting but fails, etc.

As for this whole Christopher[...]I don't remember ever actually seeing the him start any fights, all I've seen is people overreacting when he tries to correct a mistake.

Yo've seen him trying to correct what he thinks are mistakes - and going further than he should - aka you've seen him overreacting in defending his opinions aka you've seen him starting fights.

 

[Myasishchev]

I remember reading that one in the summer of 1988 when it came out and I was about 14 at the time and eager for a TNG book and yeah, it was a plodding thing. I seem to remember a part where Picard agrees to sit in one of those sensory deprivation chambers so that he can sympathize with the ghosts trapped on the alien ship. That part was long for Picard and felt loooooong for me too.

That is one weird plot-point.

Did he have a back-up personality called Picard of Zur-En-Arrh?

 

[F. King Daniel]

^Ghost Ship is weird like it is because it was written before TNG premiered, by an author who would later say she didn't like TNG. Many of it's concepts (like Riker hating Data) are from the TNG writers' guide, but never actually made it into the show. I saw it like a bizarro look at what TNG season one might have been.

About everything else: If anyone had any doubt of the impact Destiny's had on Treklit, look no further. It's like one of those STXI threads about the size of the Enterprise in here.

 

[DevilEyes]

truthfully, i believe one of these would be more suitable.

Why should this thread be locked? It is not a thread about "Destiny" or Picard's actions in it.

This is a general thread about ANY Trek novels that have made someone mad, but has been hijacked into another endless debate about "Destiny" which now makes up 90% of new posts. I have a suggestion: how about separating the "Destiny" discussion into its own thread, and leaving this thread free for the discussion of its topic?

 

[JarodRussell]

Why do you guys and girls need moderators to sort out your own discussions? Just talk about something else then, for crying out loud.

 

[BillJ]

Sorrows of Empire really pisses me off! I was looking at my copy sitting on the bookshelf and wondering why it had to end.

 

[BillJ]

I have a suggestion: how about separating the "Destiny" discussion into its own thread, and leaving this thread free for the discussion of its topic?

Why? It is one of the few Trek novels that actually spark a passionate debate about its subject matter. If any book belongs in this thread, it's Destiny: Book III.

 

[DevilEyes]

I have a suggestion: how about separating the "Destiny" discussion into its own thread, and leaving this thread free for the discussion of its topic?

Why? It is one of the few Trek novels that actually spark a passionate debate about its subject matter. If any book belongs in this thread, it's Destiny: Book III.

Because that debate has grown into a loooong debate of its own and almost completely overtaken the thread. It makes perfect sense to make a spinoff thread for that debate alone. It's not just people coming to post that Destiny book 3 pissed them off, and a couple of people commenting on it, like all of the other posts, it's a few people conducting a debate about the specifics of that book over a dozen of pages, getting personal, discussing whether one of them has put others on ignore, and so on. It's also quite annoying if you haven't read the trilogy yet and have to skip 10 posts per thread to see if there is a mention of any other Trek book that people objected to.

Why not have a moderator make a spinoff thread "Has Destiny made you mad" or "Why Destiny has made me mad" and be done with it!