Spoilers Has "Discovery" impacted how you now view "TOS" episodes?

[F. King Daniel]

Yes, and it should.

I am at a loss at all the "no" comments. DISCO has revealed background on Sarek, Amanda, and Spock. What we see of these 3 should have an impact on scenes in TOS. We should be gaining insights on the relationship between Spock and his parents.

Someone already mentioned Spock's decision to join Starfleet instead of the Vulcan Science Academy. For 50 years we only had TOS to inform on Sarek's reaction. Once we found out Sarek made a deal for Burnham to join Starfleet and Spock to join the Science Academy, that should have put Sarek's TOS scenes in a different light. Likewise, the revealing of the closeness between Burnham and Sarek should cause us to reassess everything we thought we knew about Spock and Sarek's distance.

But Disco's versions of the characters are unique. When the Spock/Sarek rift was created, there was never any intent of a secret sister being the root cause. It's stuff added into a heavily rewritten version of the continuity half a century later by other people.

Yes technically it's the same continuity because CBS own it and say so, but really it's like saying Bruce Wayne's backstory in Gotham affects the old Adam West Batman series in any way.

 

[Pauln6]

But Disco's versions of the characters are unique. When the Spock/Sarek rift was created, there was never any intent of a secret sister being the root cause. It's stuff added into a heavily rewritten version of the continuity half a century later by other people.

Yes technically it's the same continuity because CBS own it and say so, but really it's like saying Bruce Wayne's backstory in Gotham affects the old Adam West Batman series in any way.

We can't be too precious. There was never any intention for Spock to have a half brother until STV or for Sulu to spontaneously produce a daughter until Takei declined Generations.

Sometimes it works better than others. I enjoyed Solo but I thought they went too far to expressly explain his canon history on screen.

If a new piece of information gives you a light bulb moment, they've done a good job, such as why Sarek was so 'annoyed' by Spock's decision to join Starfleet.

If it makes you groan such 'the spore drive is now classified and we'll never mention it again. Despite hundreds of species having unilaterally developed warp drive, and several having witnessed it in action, I'm sure no species will ever be able to apply the same scientific path in the whole galaxy, otherwise a cyborg parasite species might pop up wherever they felt like and wreak havoc', then they've done a poor job.

 

[johnnybear]

How did Beyond suffer from it's release date, Pauln6?
JB

 

[Nyotarules]

No, with TOS I use the GR Klingon method of reconciliation
All the dated 1960's attitudes towards female officers and the humancentric Starfleet. Just as klingons never had flat foreheads, well TOS Starfleet/Enterprise was never sexist and had a diverse offscreen crew. (same for 99% human Enterprise TNG, the Andorians and Tellarites were off duty that's why we never saw them).

 

[Nyotarules]

My issue with Amanda and this sort goes back to the first time we see her, is why would she have problems being around Vulcans and their suppressed emotions? I always assumed that since she married Sarek and choose to live their that she must have liked the Vulcan way of life to actually want to marry a Vulcan and live on the planet.

Jason

Some people marry someone of another culture with rose tinted glasses until reality hits or for them the good outweighs the bad. TOS Amanda stated in JTB she said its a hard life but a better way then ours (i.e human), maybe she was just an ardent Vulcanophile.They must have existed in universe.

 

[Ensign Ricky]

No, because it is non-canon in my book no matter what CBS says.

 

[Pauln6]

How did Beyond suffer from it's release date, Pauln6?
JB

I can't recall exactly which but I think it was released too close to a couple of big blockbusters that almost certainly impacted its numbers.

 

[johnnybear]

A bit like how Solo might have done much better at the box office at Christmas than Easter?
JB

 

[johnnybear]

No, because it is non-canon in my book no matter what CBS says.

It's very annoying that these people tell us what to believe, and I know the answers I will get to this but the fact is that these people are not the same people who invented the series, so apart from their financial powers they have no real authority to tell us anything about the show that we love in relation to theirs one little bit!
JB

 

[Phaser Two]

Update!

Still no.

 

[johnnybear]

I'd say that the reason we never saw any aliens serving on the Enterprise is probably because there weren't any! The multi-race crews started later on during the movies! In TOS the other races were still serving aboard their own vessels so had no time for the spaceships run by the humans! Greater co-operation between the member planets took time to grow!
JB

 

[Rey Leopard]

Yes. I think DISCO has added a new layer of depth to all the TOS characters they depicted. Pike and Spock have especially been made into more complex characters by DISCO.

 

[johnnybear]

I wonder if a young James T.Kirk on the USS Republic or the USS Farragut will turn up somewhere in the next season? Seems only fair surely?
JB

 

[jfordny]

Discovery made the Menagerie even even worse for me. I always thought Pike's fate was horrifying, but it's far worse after Discovery fleshed out Pike and made him so likable.

I don't think Discovery changed much about Spock for me. Maybe because I don't really buy what Kurtzman was selling with the idea that Burnham set Spock up for friendship with Kirk. If the Menagerie showed anything, it was Spock's loyalty and how far he was willing to go for someone he considered a friend.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Not much, though there's the obvious stuff with Pike that has been mentioned dozens of times here already, AND, I now assume that Spock had discussed Michael with Kirk to *some* extent, off screen, prior to "What Are Little Girls Made Of?". I've always thought that what Kirk chose to alert Spock with was surprisingly racist to a degree out of character for Captain Kirk - but it makes sense now, if we think that maybe he didn't just spontaneously come up with it but was specifically referencing the thing Michael had said to Spock years before that Kirk *knew* would get his attention.

Maybe because I don't really buy what Kurtzman was selling with the idea that Burnham set Spock up for friendship with Kirk.

Interesting that you thought that referred to Kirk. I took it to mean McCoy.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'd say that the reason we never saw any aliens serving on the Enterprise is probably because there weren't any! The multi-race crews started later on during the movies! In TOS the other races were still serving aboard their own vessels so had no time for the spaceships run by the humans! Greater co-operation between the member planets took time to grow!
JB

*Arex and M'Ress frowning*

 

[C57D]

I watched the first three episodes of STD when it first came out, just to give it a chance to grow on me.
But it actually lost me the minute that (sorry been so long I can't recall the names) the first officer had a full blown knock out fist fight with her captain and then assummed command - WTF!!!
Is this really the spirit of ST??
Although I didn't like the fungus warp drive, the 24th c ship designs in the 22nd c, the (once again) new "mortuary Klingons" etc etc. THAT was the defining moment for my belief that this was just some random scifi show calling itself ST without having any meaningful consistency with the ST I knew and loved.
So the answer to the OP is HELL NO!!!
And TOS all the way forever !!!

 

[feek61]

It does not impact my view of TOS at all because the characters, tech, planets, etc. in Discovery bare little resemblance to anything in TOS and the stories are so poorly written there is no correlation between the two in my mind. My only thoughts comparing TOS with Discovery is that I am so thankful that they didn't have CGI back in the day. in TOS they had to concentrate on writing decent stories; not cover-up the terrible writing, character development, etc. with flashy effects. I'm not even sure why this show is called "Star Trek" since there seems to be only war and other massive issues that threaten the UFP or the entire galaxy. Where is the "seek out new life and new civilizations" exploration aspect in Discovery that is the core of Star Trek? Honestly, for two seasons now I had to gut-through Discovery; hoping that at some point the show would quit being a pew-pew and start being interesting. The last episode of season two of Discovery was so absurd that I don't think I will watch this show anymore. This show is a perfect example of too much money; not enough talented writers.

 

[Phaser Two]

What feek said. The acting is actually quite good, but the writing is beyond awful.

 

[Jayson1]

I watched the first three episodes of STD when it first came out, just to give it a chance to grow on me.
But it actually lost me the minute that (sorry been so long I can't recall the names) the first officer had a full blown knock out fist fight with her captain and then assummed command - WTF!!!
Is this really the spirit of ST??
Although I didn't like the fungus warp drive, the 24th c ship designs in the 22nd c, the (once again) new "mortuary Klingons" etc etc. THAT was the defining moment for my belief that this was just some random scifi show calling itself ST without having any meaningful consistency with the ST I knew and loved.
So the answer to the OP is HELL NO!!!
And TOS all the way forever !!!

To be fair the first two episodes are maybe the worst episodes the show has done and it does get better especially in season 2 even if it's not perfect. It's still not nearly as good as TOS,DS9 or I would say TNG but I do think it's better than Voyager slightly and Enterprise by far.

Jason