Green Lantern Series

[Christopher]

heh, still remember the 90's series where Guy Gardner got turned into a woman lol

M

Huh?

And you must know I was being just as facetious.

I hoped as much, but other readers of the thread might've been confused, and I wanted to defuse any potential misunderstandings.

So really, what's your opinion of my other point? Are the GLs being totally reckless by knowingly allowing their teammate to use a ring powered by rage, or do they just not realize?

I think they do know the RLs are powered by rage, but they trust Razer to be able to manage and direct it constructively. Anger isn't automatically an evil thing; it can motivate people to protect lives in danger or to fight for social causes or what-have-you. It's all in how well you control and focus it.

Razer's fear that the rage will overpower him may not be an objective fact, but simply his own self-doubt, his conscience and guilt about what the rage has made him do in the past. He remembers what it feels like to be overcome by rage and driven to do evil things he's ashamed of, and he fears that will happen again. But that very fear and shame can help make sure he doesn't let the rage control him again, that he can learn to control it instead.

Just a point of fact, the Guy Gardner most people know is a child of the 80s (he was a key player in the post Legends JLI). The character was created in the 60s. I'd hesitate to call him a 90s anti-hero since he spent most of that decade without a GL ring.

But his most familiar characterization is the one that fit into the general tough-guy/antihero ethos of that era. (And as I recall, when he lost his ring in the '90s, that's when he became even more a '90s-style violent character than he'd been before, calling himself "Warrior.")

 

[JD]

CBR has a couple of clips and some new pics from GL:TAS and Young Justice, and the new Super Best Friends Forever short.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

So next week the crazy price guy who tried to become a green lanter goes red lantern.

 

[Christopher]

Crazy price guy? Sounds like someone from a used-car commercial.

I assume you mean "prince."

 

[Silvercrest]

Here's Cal Jordan and his dog Spot!

 

[Disruptor]

Summary of This Weekend's episode: Kilawog's hippo honey has traded her hotpants for hot pink hooker boots.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I hate that blonde gossip girl because she cannot act and she's taking up space for other beautiful women that can act in a show that's taking up space where other shows might entertain without being distilled through an irony filter...

But I don't think I want to die till I've seen her in a skin tight Star Sapphire uniform.

 

[Christopher]

Not crazy about this one, because of the inherent sexism of the whole Star Sapphire concept. I was hoping the animated series would avoid the ridiculous skimpiness of the comics costumes, since it's aimed at a younger audience, but no such luck (though at least Carol had a slightly less ridiculous outfit). Carol did come off pretty well as a character once she came to her senses, but it's hard to believe that out of this whole civilization of Zamarons, not one woman had figured out that simple lesson about love and selflessness. So the whole thing was kind of simplistic.

What really bugs me is how easy it was for Carol to cross the vast distance to Earth. This sector is supposed to be so far away that even the Guardians, the most advanced race in the universe, had only one ship capable of making the journey in less than eight months. Yet the Zamarons have a portal technology that allows easy, instantaneous travel across that same distance? And this enormous, vital technological breakthrough wasn't even addressed by the GLs? That's just sloppy writing.

 

[Gotham Central]

Not crazy about this one, because of the inherent sexism of the whole Star Sapphire concept. I was hoping the animated series would avoid the ridiculous skimpiness of the comics costumes, since it's aimed at a younger audience, but no such luck (though at least Carol had a slightly less ridiculous outfit). Carol did come off pretty well as a character once she came to her senses, but it's hard to believe that out of this whole civilization of Zamarons, not one woman had figured out that simple lesson about love and selflessness. So the whole thing was kind of simplistic.

What really bugs me is how easy it was for Carol to cross the vast distance to Earth. This sector is supposed to be so far away that even the Guardians, the most advanced race in the universe, had only one ship capable of making the journey in less than eight months. Yet the Zamarons have a portal technology that allows easy, instantaneous travel across that same distance? And this enormous, vital technological breakthrough wasn't even addressed by the GLs? That's just sloppy writing.

The Star Sapphires are no more sexist than the Amazons. The characters are consistent with their characterizations in the comics.

As for the the distance from Earth...the Zamaroans are related to the guardians but are divergent from them. Its not out of the realm of possibility that they have tech and abilities unknown to the guardians. Additionally, its clear that that portal technology has a price and may just be tied to the rings. In fact in the comics each of the rings have special abilities that are not shared by all the others. Creating portals may just be part of the Star Saphire abilities that the GL's lack.

Finally, remember that the GLs have been traveling for a while...so they are not as far on the frontier as they used to be.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But they haven't been flying towards "home".

The Zamorans probably don't want to be held accountable by the Guardians, battered wife syndrome, so they would have a travel technology that is completely alien tot he Guaridans, especially if they have to go around and between the 3600 sectors governed by the guardians that comprises supposedly "the entire universe" and not 'the entire civilized universe"

Wait?

universe or galaxy?

it's universe in the comics, but is the TV show about policing something realistically smaller? Because dividing googleplexes of galaxies into 3600 is a lot of galaxies each lantern has to be responsible for, but Hal spends all his time on Earth.

 

[Methos]

heh, still remember the 90's series where Guy Gardner got turned into a woman lol

M

Huh?

Back in the 90's, at the height of Guy Gardner's "Warrior" series, they turned him into a woman lol... not kidding, still got the issues around somewhere lol

M

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sometimes you have to look under the surface to find the inner poozer.

 

[Gotham Central]

Sometimes you have to look under the surface to find the inner poozer.

OK seriously...they turned him into a woman and his costume suddenly becomes more revealing

 

[Methos]

ahh there we go lol

M

 

[Guy Gardener]

Carol turned into a man and she wore stain and steel full body armour.

Actually she split in two.

Animus and Anima.

Then (eventually) made out with herself.

The Star Sapphire suit (in the cartoon today) is a cat suit.

Skin tight.

Everything is covered.

It's just an illusion of impropriety.

I was at the mall a few Christmases ago and there was a Justice League Stage Show for the kiddies with live actors playing out a really hokey pantomime script where the audience of Four year olds had to help Superman find Lex Luthor hiding behind a dustbin... But the Actress dolled up as as Star Sapphire looked spectacular.

Maybe I just really like Magenta?

 

[Christopher]

The Star Sapphires are no more sexist than the Amazons. The characters are consistent with their characterizations in the comics.

And comics are fraught with sexism. What, you hadn't noticed?

As for the the distance from Earth...the Zamaroans are related to the guardians but are divergent from them. Its not out of the realm of possibility that they have tech and abilities unknown to the guardians.

The problem isn't that the technology exists, the problem is that it has enormous potential importance that the story completely ignored because it was treated merely as a plot convenience. Which is a very common problem in episodic SF.

Additionally, its clear that that portal technology has a price and may just be tied to the rings. In fact in the comics each of the rings have special abilities that are not shared by all the others. Creating portals may just be part of the Star Saphire abilities that the GL's lack.

But the characters should've at least talked about the fact that this is a technology that could be very useful to them, and then those obstacles could've been discussed and explained. But the GLs didn't even seem to react to the existence of a technology that could potentially solve all their problems. And that's sloppy writing.

Finally, remember that the GLs have been traveling for a while...so they are not as far on the frontier as they used to be.

That doesn't make any sense. The whole premise of the series is that the region where it takes place is far beyond normal GL travel range -- otherwise there would be a whole army of GLs there to fight off Atrocitus, instead of just two GLs, a defrocked Red Lantern, and an AI wandering around trying to recruit allies who always find some excuse not to join them. The extreme isolation of the series' setting is fundamental to its storyline, so introducing this casual means of travel to and from Earth is conceptually sloppy. It's like having the crew of the starship Voyager come upon a wormhole to Starfleet Headquarters and not even consider it important enough to comment on.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You mean like the Barzan Wormhole from TNG's second seasons episode "The Price" which Janeway ran into by complete accident in her third season episode False profits, and had no idea that the worm whole existed until she did a google search for "wormholes between the Alpha Quardrant and Delta Quadrant know to the Federation" and then got outsmarted by Ferengi?

Maybe Love is more powerful than willpower?

 

[Unicron]

Not crazy about this one, because of the inherent sexism of the whole Star Sapphire concept. I was hoping the animated series would avoid the ridiculous skimpiness of the comics costumes, since it's aimed at a younger audience, but no such luck (though at least Carol had a slightly less ridiculous outfit). Carol did come off pretty well as a character once she came to her senses, but it's hard to believe that out of this whole civilization of Zamarons, not one woman had figured out that simple lesson about love and selflessness. So the whole thing was kind of simplistic.

Well, it's established in the comics that violet is one of the more extreme emotions, and that the love the Sapphires carry is essentially in its most raw form, unfettered by any normal constraints. It's a dominating form of love, and the Zamarons eventually had to modify the rings to offer prospective Sapphires a choice of joining or declining, rather than just assuming control of them.

I haven't seen the show so I can't accurately judge how much it tied into the comic version, but I'm just suggesting that if the violet rings are the "unmodified" version, then their wearers might not be capable of selflessness in the normal sense.

 

[Christopher]

Okay, but why does any of that require the bearers to be women in tiny bathing suits? Men can love too. And so can fully-clothed women.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The guardians of the universe decided to evolve towards a diminished stature, so that they can preform cunnilingus without getting on their knees, but did they do this before or after those 8 foot tall cheerleader gladiatrixes scarpered?

Consider, if they made the change before the girls left, it's probably why the girls left, and if they made the change after their 'wives" departures, it was probably to do with a uniform lack of interest or proficiency in oral that this was their effort at an apology to show that if they would just be given another chance, they have already visibly proved that they are wholly changed Gods.

Hindsight is 20/20.

But it was just adorable watching them float off together, paired off, hand in hand at the end of the millennium crossover back in '88.