Grade - The Daedalus Variations – (Grading, SPOILERS!)

[Hermiod]

I've given this an above average. It's nice to have an episode with just the team and no distractions. Teyla's sudden expertise is a bit off, given she hasn't had so much as the equivalent of a modern high school education, and unlike others here, I hope the generic aliens don't come back as they weren't very interesting.

 

[kitkat]

1 ZPM & McKay fix from me!

Great episode. I gotta say, I loved when Sheppard was fawning all over....himself. It was totally in character and hilarious!

Me and the hubby both just about fell off the couch laughing when Sheppard called Ronon Chewey!!! Funniest shit ever!!!!

Cute to see McKay holding the baby. Not anywhere near the hormonal response that I got when Sheppard was holding the baby () but still very cute.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I was reminded of voyager's Before and After teasing about their imminent Year of Hell.

These Aliens (Could they be any more Borg? really?) SO have to come back and Shepherds prepared for them. Just like in that 2010 episode of Stargate SG1.

 

[Kpnuts]

Where did I say that they should directly copy the Dominion?!?!?!?!?

Those aliens HAVE to come back - hopefully as the foot soldiers to some larger, Dominion-style empire led by villians which could outhink Team Sheppard without making the characters look completely stupid.

What you don't read the endless rants around here of "lazy writing"? If they come back let's let the writers come up with their own ideas. You're not only suggesting that they HAVE to come back but how you want them to return.

I give up.

Good idea. I gave up trying to understand or argue with DWF's completely nonsense posts a long time ago.

 

[Neroon]

Where did I say that they should directly copy the Dominion?!?!?!?!?

What you don't read the endless rants around here of "lazy writing"? If they come back let's let the writers come up with their own ideas. You're not only suggesting that they HAVE to come back but how you want them to return.

I give up.

Good idea. I gave up trying to understand or argue with DWF's completely nonsense posts a long time ago.

- please don't start this crap up again. Use the Ignore feature if necessary, if you don't like what the other guy says.

 

[Kpnuts]

Fucking FINALLY.

Outstanding episode, best Stargate episode for years in my opinion. Nice action, nice drama, nice character moments, great pacing, interesting concept for what I originally thought was yet another AR ep... A.

This is what that awful awful SG-1 finale Unending could have and should have been. Especially given their limited budget/time.

Great stuff.

 

[Broccoli]

Fucking FINALLY.

Outstanding episode, best Stargate episode for years in my opinion. Nice action, nice drama, nice character moments, great pacing, interesting concept for what I originally thought was yet another AR ep... A.

Who are you and what did you do with Kpnuts?

This is what that awful awful SG-1 finale Unending could have and should have been. Especially given their limited budget/time.

Eh...thoughts on "Unending" aside, TDV was a great filler episode, but I don't think it would have worked for a finale.

 

[Kpnuts]

Eh...thoughts on "Unending" aside, TDV was a great filler episode, but I don't think it would have worked for a finale.

I'm not saying it would have made a great finale, but given how supposedly little time and budget they had for the series finale, it's easy to compare two ship based stories. Unending was just awful, so with a few tweaks to TDV it could have easily been 100 times better. A sort of All Good Things type finale (obviously only in story/concept and not in quality)

 

[Broccoli]

Eh...thoughts on "Unending" aside, TDV was a great filler episode, but I don't think it would have worked for a finale.

I'm not saying it would have made a great finale, but given how supposedly little time and budget they had for the series finale, it's easy to compare two ship based stories. Unending was just awful, so with a few tweaks to TDV it could have easily been 100 times better. A sort of All Good Things type finale (obviously only in story/concept and not in quality)

Okay...I guess I am confused at what you are getting at.

TDV and "Unending" were telling two radically different types of stories. Both just happened to be set on a ship. TDV was very plot driven where as "Unending" was character driven. Both were intentionally designed to be that way. The two episodes were fundamentally different, like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Jax]

Eh...thoughts on "Unending" aside, TDV was a great filler episode, but I don't think it would have worked for a finale.

I'm not saying it would have made a great finale, but given how supposedly little time and budget they had for the series finale, it's easy to compare two ship based stories. Unending was just awful, so with a few tweaks to TDV it could have easily been 100 times better. A sort of All Good Things type finale (obviously only in story/concept and not in quality)

Okay...I guess I am confused at what you are getting at.

TDV and "Unending" were telling two radically different types of stories. Both just happened to be set on a ship. TDV was very plot driven where as "Unending" was character driven. Both were intentionally designed to be that way. The two episodes were fundamentally different, like comparing apples and oranges.

Am tired of having to explain to him why Unending was made the way it was and how the writers had no time to change the plot from a season finale to series finale.

TDV is no way the same

 

[Samurai8472]

I was half expecting a tholian web somewhere in this episode

 

[Broccoli]

I'm not saying it would have made a great finale, but given how supposedly little time and budget they had for the series finale, it's easy to compare two ship based stories. Unending was just awful, so with a few tweaks to TDV it could have easily been 100 times better. A sort of All Good Things type finale (obviously only in story/concept and not in quality)

Okay...I guess I am confused at what you are getting at.

TDV and "Unending" were telling two radically different types of stories. Both just happened to be set on a ship. TDV was very plot driven where as "Unending" was character driven. Both were intentionally designed to be that way. The two episodes were fundamentally different, like comparing apples and oranges.

Am tired of having to explain to him why Unending was made the way it was and how the writers had no time to change the plot from a season finale to series finale.

TDV is no way the same

Wait...I was under the impression that "Unending" was intentionally written as a series finale (albeit written quickly) and wasn't even an idea for an episode until after they got the cancellation notice. Your post suggests otherwise.

 

[Jax]

Okay...I guess I am confused at what you are getting at.

TDV and "Unending" were telling two radically different types of stories. Both just happened to be set on a ship. TDV was very plot driven where as "Unending" was character driven. Both were intentionally designed to be that way. The two episodes were fundamentally different, like comparing apples and oranges.

Am tired of having to explain to him why Unending was made the way it was and how the writers had no time to change the plot from a season finale to series finale.

TDV is no way the same

Wait...I was under the impression that "Unending" was intentionally written as a series finale (albeit written quickly) and wasn't even an idea for an episode until after they got the cancellation notice. Your post suggests otherwise.

Unending was always written as the season finale and they had done most of the script if not all by the time SCI FI canned it and filmed it soon afterwards.

 

[Harvey]

^^
Not quite, as per my understanding. 10x18 was in the final stages of scripting when the cancellation notice came down. Thus the "Eureka" joke that was squeazed into it at the last minute. 10x19 and 10x20 were written after the series was cancelled. Unending was put together at the last minute, but it was put together as a series finale, not a season finale.

 

[Samurai8472]

The talk of TDV and Unending makes me wonder how the SG-A team would fare if they were in the same situation(trapped in a time bubble)

John would probably wreck his room like Mitchell. They seem to have the same temper. John threw a walkie talkie to the wall in "Epiphany" Mitchell kicked a vending machine(Stronghold)

I have a TDV question. The team decides to get into the jumper at the end but the explosion from the alien leaves them stranded

Why would they want to leave when their jump is the next stop? It kind of looks like they let the ship jump into the next alternate reality while they stay in the alternate reality before the prime reality.

 

[David cgc]

I have a TDV question. The team decides to get into the jumper at the end but the explosion from the alien leaves them stranded

Why would they want to leave when their jump is the next stop? It kind of looks like they let the ship jump into the next alternate reality while they stay in the alternate reality before the prime reality.

Since the jumps were speeding up, they wanted to be at the Jumper so they were ready to go as soon as they arrived at their reality. If they waited too long, they might've missed the window and left after the ship left our reality. They didn't leave, though, until the ship jumped to our Atlantis.

 

[biotech]

This was only shown last night here, I liked it a lot, but I was kind of expecting the team to die, and leave a message for the real team not to board the ship, with the big surprise ending being that the team we first saw wasnt from our universe either.

The lack of Woolsy after only three episodes gave me shades of Sam, but at least he was name checked.

The bad guys looked like what would happen if the replicators merged with wraith.

They sure got into those space suits fast, it usually takes about two hours to get in a NASA suit.

Best episode of the season so far though, and a lot better than most of last year.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

This was only shown last night here, I liked it a lot, but I was kind of expecting the team to die, and leave a message for the real team not to board the ship, with the big surprise ending being that the team we first saw wasnt from our universe either.

Me too, but I'm glad they didn't go that route. Too soon after Continuum for them to pull that kind of move again.

 

[Kpnuts]

Watched it again this week and I stand by my original opinion.

Outstanding episode, best for a long time.

This is what that terrible Unending should have been as a series finale. Obviously with the SG-1 team, make it 2 hours, more budget, a couple of plot tweaks etc... but if they had to do a last minute, stuck on the ship type story, this would have been perfect. SG-1 seeing the outcomes of other universes, some good, some bad, shows them what they're fighting for etc... - it would have given a nice 'All Good Things' type vibe, though obviously nowhere near as good as that.

Better than watching the hopelessly shite Daniel/Vala stuff or the team getting bored with each other over time, right before a big old fashioned reset button.

 

[Lonemagpie]

1 ZPM and a quick fix

Daedalus Variations has been the best so far this season (out of the 4 aired here), despite the similarities to Red Dwarf's Dimension Jump, and the random Borg that turned up on the ship. Speaking of whom, that's how damn hard to kill the Borg *should* be.