Eh?
Look, i enjoy Stargate, but its not the origin of all sci-fi plots, and neither was Trek. And its not as if Stargate hasn't done the alt-universe plot before.
Grade - The Daedalus Variations – (Grading, SPOILERS!)
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Eh?
Look, i enjoy Stargate, but its not the origin of all sci-fi plots, and neither was Trek. And its not as if Stargate hasn't done the alt-universe plot before.
Eh?
Look, i enjoy Stargate, but its not the origin of all sci-fi plots, and neither was Trek. And its not as if Stargate hasn't done the alt-universe plot before.
No but a Dominion styled empire is straight from DS9, I'm surprised that people wanting the Staragate shows to be somehow original would want a plotline straight out a Star Trek series.
Re: Grade - The Daedalus Variations – (Grading, SPOILERS!)
Definately average. Nothing special about it.
And they over hyped the new bad guy. I'm sick of over hypeing bad guys.
What I would've liked to have seen is the bad guys hiding on the ship and seeing where it went, possibly waiting for the home dimension, then trying to contact his own race to let them know about atlantis in that particular dimension.
Perhapos even start a huge story arc in which the bad guys could be invading several diomensions.
Yeah, that's what they need, is a bad guy empire that spans several dimensions or more.
Whee!
Definately average. Nothing special about it.
And they over hyped the new bad guy. I'm sick of over hypeing bad guys.
What I would've liked to have seen is the bad guys hiding on the ship and seeing where it went, possibly waiting for the home dimension, then trying to contact his own race to let them know about atlantis in that particular dimension.
Perhapos even start a huge story arc in which the bad guys could be invading several diomensions.
Yeah, that's what they need, is a bad guy empire that spans several dimensions or more.
Whee!
Yeah let's have them copy Star Trek nobody'll complain about that right?
Eh?
Look, i enjoy Stargate, but its not the origin of all sci-fi plots, and neither was Trek. And its not as if Stargate hasn't done the alt-universe plot before.
No but a Dominion styled empire is straight from DS9, I'm surprised that people wanting the Staragate shows to be somehow original would want a plotline straight out a Star Trek series.
You're missing my point.
If those bad-guys come back, they HAVE to be more complex then they were in this episode, cos randomly kicking the crap outta our good guys is gonna get very old, very quickly.
If not, then they need 'leaders' who actually give them orders (and have reasons) to attack cites populated by SGC personnel. It doesn't have to be Dominion-style, but the last thing I want is these guys back as mere grunts (like the majority of the Wraith threat are), cos frankly, that isn't very interesting to watch.
No, I understand your point but you missed mine people around here are always complaining about a lack of creativity then to suggest copying Star Trek in some way feels contrary to that kind of thinking. And we've seen two of these new aliens so I can't say we knew much about them certainly not enought to assume that they're all grunts of some sort.
And there is talk of bringing them back.
http://blog.meevee.com/my_weblog/2008/07/talking-with-ro.html
I dunno, I hope they don't become the new bad guys. I swear, after the Ori and even the Replicators, everything else is a letdown.
As for the episode... maybe I was in the right mood, but I found it strangely unoffensive. I mean, nothing really happened and it was basically another "bottle episode" but on the ship instead of on Atlantis, but whereas someone like Temis hated it, I kind of enjoyed it.
Maybe I'm feeling nostalgic for old Star Trek episodes or for early SG-1, but whatever it was, it worked.
As for the episode... maybe I was in the right mood, but I found it strangely unoffensive. I mean, nothing really happened and it was basically another "bottle episode" but on the ship instead of on Atlantis, but whereas someone like Temis hated it, I kind of enjoyed it.
Maybe I'm feeling nostalgic for old Star Trek episodes or for early SG-1, but whatever it was, it worked.
Well, they kind of do. There were about a dozen in the command tower when they arrived. They got another dozen or so from the other city in "The Tower." Then they stole one from the Asurans. They found another bay full of jumpers at the bottom of the city. There were probably a few on the Orion... I'd say they've got probably got around forty now. It's not exactly inexhaustible, but it's far from Voyager, where they left with a mere two shuttles and destroyed... well, considerably more than two.
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So creating complex villains/being creative = copying Trek?
Every sodding show should be aiming to be creative and creating complex villains (and I include Trek in that statement).
This show badly needs complex villains, because IMO, the Wraith/Michael and the new aliens shown in this episode (so far anyway) just don't cut it. They could do far worse than bringing back Kolya and the 'evil' version of the Genii. Kolya was a villain with....well, personality, and not just a grunt. And he has history with Shephard.
Well see what the writers do with these new villains, but I'm not getting my hopes up. The last 'big' villains introduced in this show turned out to be Peagus versions of SG-1 replicators. Their in a different galaxy for crying out loud, lets see something more creative for these new villians.
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So creating complex villains/being creative = copying Trek?
Every sodding show should be aiming to be creative and creating complex villains (and I include Trek in that statement).
No directly copying the Dominion is copying Star Trek and it's very creative so crying that the Stargate shows aren't very creative then wanting them to copy DS9 directly certainly isn't helping the matter. It's just proof that wen in doubt people want the Stargate shows to copy somebody else when in truth there's nothing original out there to begin with.
So creating complex villains/being creative = copying Trek?
Every sodding show should be aiming to be creative and creating complex villains (and I include Trek in that statement).
No directly copying the Dominion is copying Star Trek and it's very creative so crying that the Stargate shows aren't very creative then wanting them to copy DS9 directly certainly isn't helping the matter. It's just proof that wen in doubt people want the Stargate shows to copy somebody else when in truth there's nothing original out there to begin with.
Where did I say that they should directly copy the Dominion?!?!?!?!?
Next you'll be saying that I suggested bringing the Founders and Odo along for the ride too!All I want is complex villains instead of mindless grunts - seriously, I'm I asking for too much??? Anyone???
Borg? are Borg going to be the big bad?
McKay made adorable squeeking noises several times.
good episode all in all, much more enjoyable than previous ones.
McKay made adorable squeeking noises several times.
good episode all in all, much more enjoyable than previous ones.
The promos for "The Daedalus Variations" intrigued me, but the episode didn't live up the hype, IMO. So, in the end, I gave an "average" grade.
I liked the multiple realities. I liked the idea of a "reality drive."
I didn't like it that we didn't learn much about any of the realities. I didn't like it that there weren't that many realities. I didn't like not learning more about the aliens with glowing lights in their skulls.
Heh. I wonder what the odds are of a "reality drive" eventually popping up in "our" universe's version of the Daedalus? Pretty good, I bet.
Gatekeeper
I liked the multiple realities. I liked the idea of a "reality drive."
I didn't like it that we didn't learn much about any of the realities. I didn't like it that there weren't that many realities. I didn't like not learning more about the aliens with glowing lights in their skulls.
Heh. I wonder what the odds are of a "reality drive" eventually popping up in "our" universe's version of the Daedalus? Pretty good, I bet.
Gatekeeper
You missed the point of the episode. The alternate universes wasn't the main focus of the episode, it was simply the McGuffin to put the characters in a jam. The main focus of the episode was the characters getting out of said jam.
Fun episode. At the very least, it was better than most of what SG:A has been producing for a while.
My big gripe was how the beginning played the team wondering about how there was another Daedalus--these guys have seen alternate timelines, parallel realities, alien duplicates and time travel, and they have to act stupid about why there's an empty version of their ship captained by someone they don't recognize? Just once I'd like characters to start using the freaky alternate realities/timelines they've encountered before to try and understand these situations instead of wandering around like confused children. My first thoght on seeing the abandoned, battle-damaged ship was that it was a future version that had been sent back in time as some kind of warning.
Liked the alternate universe Wraith ships and fighters. It was interestng to see Wraith-shaped ships built out of more conventional materials.
I also loved the VFX; all the nifty closeups of the Daedalus even allowed me to catch that the mesh shares some surface pipes and details with the Battlestar Pegasus model!
My big gripe was how the beginning played the team wondering about how there was another Daedalus--these guys have seen alternate timelines, parallel realities, alien duplicates and time travel, and they have to act stupid about why there's an empty version of their ship captained by someone they don't recognize? Just once I'd like characters to start using the freaky alternate realities/timelines they've encountered before to try and understand these situations instead of wandering around like confused children. My first thoght on seeing the abandoned, battle-damaged ship was that it was a future version that had been sent back in time as some kind of warning.
Liked the alternate universe Wraith ships and fighters. It was interestng to see Wraith-shaped ships built out of more conventional materials.
I also loved the VFX; all the nifty closeups of the Daedalus even allowed me to catch that the mesh shares some surface pipes and details with the Battlestar Pegasus model!
Voted Below average. The idea of messing purposefully with alternate realities? Someone didn't learn his lessons about the dangers of messing with other realities. It was plain silly in my opinion. I was hoping for some phenomenon (even created accidentally).
The only thing good that came out of the episode was the new aliens. Hope we can see more of them in the future, in our heroes own reality this time.
But first, will we have to wait eight season to deal with the Wraiths once and for all?
The only thing good that came out of the episode was the new aliens. Hope we can see more of them in the future, in our heroes own reality this time.
But first, will we have to wait eight season to deal with the Wraiths once and for all?
Above average for the season.
I got a serious Voyager feeling off the whole thing, but that seems to be the way things are going this season.
I've already been spoiled as much as possible for "Ghost In The Machine", so I knew what was coming in that preview. I've been psyched for that episode since "Be All My Sins..."
I got a serious Voyager feeling off the whole thing, but that seems to be the way things are going this season.
I've already been spoiled as much as possible for "Ghost In The Machine", so I knew what was coming in that preview. I've been psyched for that episode since "Be All My Sins..."
Yeah let's have them copy Star Trek nobody'll complain about that right?
Eh?
Look, i enjoy Stargate, but its not the origin of all sci-fi plots, and neither was Trek. And its not as if Stargate hasn't done the alt-universe plot before.
No but a Dominion styled empire is straight from DS9, I'm surprised that people wanting the Staragate shows to be somehow original would want a plotline straight out a Star Trek series.
star trek didnt invent the concept of that type of empire.
it has been done before in sf .
actual echos of it are found within history of course with out the shape shifter aspect.
Eh?
Look, i enjoy Stargate, but its not the origin of all sci-fi plots, and neither was Trek. And its not as if Stargate hasn't done the alt-universe plot before.
No but a Dominion styled empire is straight from DS9, I'm surprised that people wanting the Staragate shows to be somehow original would want a plotline straight out a Star Trek series.
star trek didnt invent the concept of that type of empire.
it has been done before in sf .
actual echos of it are found within history of course with out the shape shifter aspect.
That is true and so far the cries of "lazy writing" aren't as loud as this season so maybe that's something.
