Gods of Night Easter Egg
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huh?
It's the two main characters in Elizabeth George's series of detective novels, which were made into TV shows by the BBC.
What can I say? My wife and I dig a lot of British and Canadian TV series.
And the trilogy is full of such tuckerizations. Just be careful not to Google them at work or in public places, such as libraries — a few might turn up as NSFW.
And the trilogy is full of such tuckerizations. Just be careful not to Google them at work or in public places, such as libraries — a few might turn up as NSFW.
What can I say? My wife and I dig a lot of British and Canadian TV series.
And the trilogy is full of such tuckerizations. Just be careful not to Google them at work or in public places, such as libraries — a few might turn up as NSFW.
Yeah, I know. Your warning came a tad late. I'm on triple probation at work thanks to Googling your tuckerizations.
Don't worry, though, pardner; if I get fired, I already have the lawsuit against you ready to go in the same district where the fat lady won her lawsuit against Krispy Kreme for giving her diabetes. Venue-shopping is fun and easy thanks to Teh Internets.
I'm already smelling those Destiny royalty checks. And I'll take your helicopter and yacht as well.
My wife is. The rest of my kin, not so much.
What royalty checks? There are royalty checks?I'm already smelling those Destiny royalty checks. And I'll take your helicopter and yacht as well.
My wife is. The rest of my kin, not so much.
What royalty checks? There are royalty checks?I'm already smelling those Destiny royalty checks. And I'll take your helicopter and yacht as well.
I've heard of *reality* checks...
A parliament can be a royalty check (i.e. a check on royalty).
What royalty checks? There are royalty checks?I'm already smelling those Destiny royalty checks. And I'll take your helicopter and yacht as well.
Damn. There goes my retirement strategy.
^Well, the name "Caeliar" itself is evidently influenced by the Latin caelum, meaning "heaven" or "sky" (also the root of "celestial").
What royalty checks? There are royalty checks?I'm already smelling those Destiny royalty checks. And I'll take your helicopter and yacht as well.
Damn. There goes my retirement strategy.
Yeah, unless I'm very much mistaken, the fact that Star Trek novels are work-for-hire in which CBS (or both CBS and Paramount, if the novel is based on a Trek film, too) retains the copyright, means that if they choose to make a film out of any such novel, they're under no obligation to pay the author anything (nor to consult him/her for any permissions).
It's different in Great Britain, though -- authors apparently retain ownership of the copyright to a media tie-in novel (though not to the licensed elements from the media it's based on). So, for instance, Una McCormack doesn't retain ownership of Deep Space Nine: The Never-Ending Sacrifice, but she does retain the copyright to Doctor Who: The King's Dragon; if CBS wanted to make a movie based on The Never-Ending Sacrifice, she wouldn't necessarily get anything, but if the BBC wanted to make a movie out of The King's Dragon, she'd be owed a check (I'd infer).
Which is part of why I'm so glad I finally sold an original novel.
I don't know, though. Sure, they don't need permission, and they can freely take elements created by a novelist without paying them (like Sulu & Uhura's first names)... but I think if they actually used the plot of a novel as the basis for an episode or movie, there'd probably be some credit (and therefore payment) given, even if it's just a "Based on" credit buried in the end titles. The issue of ownership/control is distinct from the issue of compensation, though it's easy to get the two confused.
Hard to say for sure, though, since the only instance we have of a Trek episode adapted from a Trek novel is one that was co-written by the novel's author (TNG's "Where No One Has Gone Before," loosely based on Diane Duane's The Wounded Sky). Then there's "Tin Man," written by Dennis Bailey and David Bischoff based on their original novel by that name.
Same with actual episodes -- Doctor Who villains like the Daleks and Cybermen are owned by their creators, not by the BBC. The reason the Daleks were often absent from the series for years at a time, as well as being absent from the original novels for a long time, is because of failures to work out licensing arrangements with their creator Terry Nation or his estate.
I may be mistaken, but I think that varies. The Master, for instance, is, from what I understand, is considered a BBC-owned character, whereas, as you noted, the Daleks are owned by the Estate of Terry Nation (though the design of the Daleks, as opposed to the concept of the Daleks, is co-owned by the Nation Estate and the BBC, making it very difficult for the Daleks to be marketed in any non-BBC-approved, Doctor Who-ish context).
(Interestingly, when the Ood recently appeared in "The Doctor's Wife," Russell T. Davies got a credit as their creator, but they had first appeared in an episode written by Matt Jones rather than Davies. But when the Judoon appeared in "The Pandorica Opens," Davies didn't receive any credit for their creation, despite their having originated in an RTD-written episode. But, there again, Terry Nation didn't get a credit for the Daleks [nor Kit Pedler and Gerry Davis for the Cybermen, nor Robert Holmes for the Sontarans and Autons] in that episode, either, so perhaps that doesn't tell us anything.)
And each episode itself is copyright to the BBC, so a given episode doesn't become the intellectual property of the episode writer the way a given Doctor Who tie-in book becomes the intellectual property of its author.
Presumably "ceiling" as well?
Wait... does this mean I've been pronouncing "Caeliar" wrong?
In my head, I've been pronouncing it "Kay-lee-arr" (as in Kaylee Frye).
Should it be "See-lee-arr" (as in Seeley Booth)?
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It's likely that Davies created the Ood as characters for Jones's episode. Don't forget that as EP Davies had a guiding hand through the entire production of every episode, including those where he didn't receive an on-screen writing credit (he stated once or more that he sometimes rewrote entire scripts from beginning to end). Likewise, Davies created the character of Captain Jack but he wasn't introduced until Steven Moffat's "The Empty Child".
That's what I've always assumed, but the dictionary disagrees -- mostly.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ceiling
Well, just because there may have been an influence in real life, that doesn't mean the Caeliar themselves derived their name from the Latin. And even if we did pronounce it the Latin way (or according to our best reconstruction of Latin pronunciation, which probably draws more on medieval church Latin than actual Roman pronunciation, whatever it may have been), it would probably sound more like "Kye-lee-arr", as in Richard Kiley or Kylie Minogue.
Besides, I'm pretty sure I've heard Dave Mack pronounce it "Kay-lee-arr" himself.
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