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Spoilers Ghostbusters (2016): Grading and Review

Grade the Movie

  • A+

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • A

    Votes: 8 13.8%
  • A-

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • B+

    Votes: 12 20.7%
  • B

    Votes: 10 17.2%
  • B-

    Votes: 4 6.9%
  • C+

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • C

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • C-

    Votes: 4 6.9%
  • D+

    Votes: 4 6.9%
  • D

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • I

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    58
  • Poll closed .
I don't have much interest in the movie, but I do look forward to the time of the home media release, to see what alternative trailers fans might cut together given the same material the ad people had, seeing as how nearly everyone seems to agree the trailers were crap.
 
Here we go again with the anti-female fanboys. While I'm sure that played a role it wasn't a big role. Fury Road and The Force Awakens both had female protagonists and they succeeded big-time at the Box Office, I suspect Rogue One will do the same this winter which also has a female protagonist and I think it goes without saying that Star Wars has a much larger and more militant fanboy base than Ghostbusters does.

Remember, in order to push the so-called "sexist" blame agenda into a situation, one must ignore facts, such as the success of the films you cite. If politics had any negative impact on GB, it begins with the director's constant attacks on potential audience members voicing an opinion. No responsible studio or marketing agency on earth would ever suggest that immature behavior is part of a sound strategy for success. Feig used the film as his platform of hateful rants.

The problem is that it's just not a very good movie and if there's any "feminism" backlash from "men-inists" it'd be due to the movie being overt about this "message" between the cast and the movie itself having stuff in it that could be construed as anti-men. (Most of the men in the movie are portrayed as dumb and/or weak-willed and the antagonist in ghost-forum is defeated by shooting him in the ghost-junk.)

But exposing that clear misandrist message is attacked as being a "woman hater." In Dawn of Justice, Snyder did not need to belittle men in order to make Wonder Woman succeed as a strong individual & superhero, yet Ghostbusters--and its male director who seems to dislike his own gender--commits the same kind of deliberate stereotyping / belittling seen in decades of misogynistic films, as a means of elevating one group. So much for progress.

At any rate, the movie dropped 53% over the week which is fairly significant, though not unusual looking at most other movies. But looking at previous comedies from Feig/McCarthy it's pretty strong. Bridesmaids dropped 21% between weeks, The Heat 40%,, Spy 44%. McCarthy's Tammy saw a 179% increase between first and second weeks (along with an increase in screens) and then a 41% drop between weeks.

So that's a lot of numbers, but shows that Ghostbusters isn't quite making as much of an impact as they had hoped and it's got two big challengers the next two weeks at BO and it was still beaten by a now 3-week-old animated movie making it 3rd place for the week.

But those films all had much bigger openings. A 53% drop on a mediocre $46 million opening weekend is pretty bad. The hope was that the movie would have excellent legs like Feig's other films, but that's clearly not the case.

Yes, it is bad, and the drop will continue, but this film was not produced on the hope of matching the performances of other Feig films--this was Sony trying to play in the big leagues of franchise blockbuster, and Feig proved he--and his anything other than creatively motivated vision of Ghostbusters was not on that level, hence the poor box office performance.

Personally I think most people outside a specific group of nerds just don't give a shit about the Ghostbusters franchise. I know I don't.

Franchises are not guaranteed to be successfully rebooted, even in a situation where generations of film goers still show a strong love for the original production. Moreover, the original is very much tied to the early 1980s in its execution--including the performance choices by the stars, and no one was going to recapture or replace that. All of what made the '84 film great could not survive as a 2016 film in the hands of a desperate studio and a woefully misguided director, both inexplicably thinking the name and emotion invested in the original would just magically transfer to any assemblage of crap with the GB brand glued to it--particularly (as noted earlier) if it is clear the reboot is not existing for purely creative reasons.
 
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From the trailer the hook for me was the scene showing what appeared to be reality being altered, and one of the stars stating that point. That sounded impressive, motivated me to see the movie

I felt that was where the movie would have it's biggest substantive punch, with the exploration of and eventual fixing those changes. But in the film those trailer images meant jack squat to the over all story. A simple handwave later and poof, problem solved.

Now that I am revisiting my disappointment I wish I would have voted a lower score.
 
I learned over the weekend that my 13-year-old nephew and two of his friends went to see the movie. Not a lot of talk of misandry and misogyny... :)

From the trailer the hook for me was the scene showing what appeared to be reality being altered, and one of the stars stating that point. That sounded impressive, motivated me to see the movie

I felt that was where the movie would have it's biggest substantive punch, with the exploration of and eventual fixing those changes. But in the film those trailer images meant jack squat to the over all story. A simple handwave later and poof, problem solved.

Now that I am revisiting my disappointment I wish I would have voted a lower score.

Yeah, that did seem like a missed opportunity. I thought perhaps they were going to cross into 1984 New York and connect with the world of the original movie. It certainly seemed like it should've lead to something more anyway.
 
Remember, in order to push the so-called "sexist" blame agenda into a situation, one must ignore facts, such as the success of the films you cite. If politics had any negative impact on GB, it begins with the director's constant attacks on potential audience members voicing an opinion. No responsible studio or marketing agency on earth would ever suggest that immature behavior is part of a sound strategy for success. Feig used the film as his platform of hateful rants.

As they say, there is no bad publicity. Except there is, isn't there.
From what I hear, Feig's views and biases don't translate into the movie all that much though.
 
I found it entirely "Meh." Though I did laugh a few times and I even found Wiig and McCarthy bearable for the most part, which goes against most of my experience with their work. Lot of scenes that existed purely for the sake of jokes that clearly cut into whatever material they wrote to actually drive the plot and characters and even more scenes that felt like effects-driven filler. I'm certain there was a good movie to be found in there, but something clearly went wrong along the way.
 
I found it entirely "Meh." Though I did laugh a few times and I even found Wiig and McCarthy bearable for the most part, which goes against most of my experience with their work. Lot of scenes that existed purely for the sake of jokes that clearly cut into whatever material they wrote to actually drive the plot and characters and even more scenes that felt like effects-driven filler. I'm certain there was a good movie to be found in there, but something clearly went wrong along the way.

The "Meh" seems to be the prevalent reaction to this movie. Nothing terrible, nothing great, just forgettable. Red Letter Media called it "the other Pixels movie".
 
Personally I think most people outside a specific group of nerds just don't give a shit about the Ghostbusters franchise. I know I don't.

Put me down for not caring about a franchise. I hate franchise this and franchise that. If they made good movies then things would be good. Slapping a name on a bad movie doesn't make it better. I'm speaking generically and not this movie specifically, and someone just told me I'm complaining that water is wet because that's what Hollywood does, slap a name on something an expect it to be wonderful because that brand is on it. There's a new Star Trek movie, the more I've heard about it the more I don't want to see it even though I was hopeful that it would have been better. There's a new Star Trek show coming out soon that I might not bother to watch, either, even though Star Trek is one of my favorite shows, it's over and done no matter how many more they make and slap the name on it. Maybe the new show will be good and I'll like it, but I'm not expecting that.
It's rare when they can actually bring something back and it's good like the original, but that IP wasn't free and they need to cash in on it somehow.
 
I wonder if women liked it better than men did. I think women can have a little different taste in comedy from men. The 3 Stooges in particular seems to appeal more to men than to women.
 
I wonder if women liked it better than men did. I think women can have a little different taste in comedy from men. The 3 Stooges in particular seems to appeal more to men than to women.
That's a good question. I'd be curious to see a breakdown by gender.
 
But exposing that clear misandrist message is attacked as being a "woman hater." In Dawn of Justice, Snyder did not need to belittle men in order to make Wonder Woman succeed as a strong individual & superhero, yet Ghostbusters--and its male director who seems to dislike his own gender--commits the same kind of deliberate stereotyping / belittling seen in decades of misogynistic films, as a means of elevating one group. So much for progress.


So, it as okay for Dana Barrett to be possessed, so that she would end up having sex with the one guy who turned her off (he was conveniently possessed as well), but it wasn't okay for Chris Hemsworth to be a dumb blonde.
 
Finally saw it today. Was looking forward to it but it's not as good as I expected it to be. It's not a bad film but fairly bland and the style of comedy in this wasn't funny. I don't blame the cast, they needed better material. Leslie Jones was excellent. Kate Mckinnon I have no idea what the hell she was doing but her scenes were cringe worthy.

It's worth watching, better than Independence Day Regurgitate. Nowhere near as good as Ghostbusters II. It's pretty sad the movie wasn't more successful. I was hoping Ghostbusters would take off in a big way again.


Hummm, don't see any reviews from all the people accusing others of misogyny here. Funny that.
 
For those with interest in such things, the December 2016 FanEdit.org Fan Edit of the month is "Ghostbusters III", which uses the 134-minute 2016 extended cut as the source, then trims out 29 minutes to, in the editor's words, "remove 75% of the improv jokes, so the film stays on script and on character. Less is more... less jokes... more funny."

A sample trimming:

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Paul Feig has done a new interview where he blames the failure of his Ghostbusters on Donald Trump and the "anti-Hilary" movement. Now, I know there was a lot of that out there, but I have to question if that really had as much of an impact as he thinks. We've gotten a lot of other movies that got a similar reaction from those kinds of people, but still managed to be huge hits, like The Force Awakens and Captain Marvel.
And how much was blamed on that it wasn't connected to the original movies? As opposed to say Jumanji which definitely held that in canon
 
For those with interest in such things, the December 2016 FanEdit.org Fan Edit of the month is "Ghostbusters III", which uses the 134-minute 2016 extended cut as the source, then trims out 29 minutes to, in the editor's words, "remove 75% of the improv jokes, so the film stays on script and on character. Less is more... less jokes... more funny."

While Feig, on the other hand, now wants to pull a Zach Snyder and drop a 3 1/2 hour cut of that same film on the world. :ack:

You couldn't pay us enough to watch, Paul.
 
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Paul Feig has done a new interview where he blames the failure of his Ghostbusters on Donald Trump and the "anti-Hilary" movement. Now, I know there was a lot of that out there, but I have to question if that really had as much of an impact as he thinks. We've gotten a lot of other movies that got a similar reaction from those kinds of people, but still managed to be huge hits, like The Force Awakens and Captain Marvel.

That also doesn't take into account the world wide box office which doesn't base movie watching on Hillary Clinton. (Not that I believe the US did either)
 
While Feig, on the other hand, now wants to pull a Zach Snyder and drop a 3 1/2 hour cut of that same film on the world. :ack:

You couldn't pay us enough to watch, Paul.

Paul Feig has done a new interview where he blames the failure of his Ghostbusters on Donald Trump and the "anti-Hilary" movement. Now, I know there was a lot of that out there, but I have to question if that really had as much of an impact as he thinks. We've gotten a lot of other movies that got a similar reaction from those kinds of people, but still managed to be huge hits, like The Force Awakens and Captain Marvel.

Yeah, that seems like a ridiculous thing to say. The movie got a lot of shit for things that weren't actually a problem (an all female Ghostbuster team could definitely work), but in the end, in my opinion, it just wasn't particularly funny or entertaining. Its not the worst comedy I've ever seen, but it was too long (even the theatrical cut is about 30 minutes longer then the original film), the script was mediocre at best and honestly the people they cast were either not that great (McKinnon, Jones) or outright bad (McCarthy, Wiig, and unfortunately Hemsworth, although he had material that no one could have saved).

While whining, misogynist babies were never going to see it or like it, like other people have said those people didn't stop Captain Marvel from making a billion dollars. If Ghostbusters 2016 had been a better movie, it would have succeeded despite the assholes. Adding over an extra hour to the already bloated film isn't going to make it better.
 
Some people didn't go see it to prove a point.
Most people didn't go see it 'cause they just plain didn't want to.
 
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