The ship probably has been in one place for 1,000+ years.
News Georgiou Section 31 Series officially announced:
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I was asking for a source for what you said in your spoiler tags.
It's exactly as bad as cannibalsm, and not calling it that doesn't make her any less reprehensible.
Well you seem to apparently think I pulled it out of thin air, so it's not a spoiler.
So the Discovery crew doesn't get flung into the future.
So the Discovery crew doesn't then discover their starship developed a human personality, voiced by Kurtzman's friend.
And so Calypso isn't set within an episode of Season 2.
All good! It's all bullshit.
What the hell are you going on about?
It's worth pointing out that when Discovery was planned as an anthology series, the jump 9 months forward was originally going to be a century.
I'm asking about this.
What Time Travel? Where are you getting this from?
You still haven't given a source for that statement.
And how do people respond to him? He has done a lot of reprehensible things all in the name of the good of the Bajoran people. Would a series based around him, with him as the lead, have as much push back as this one?
I've tried, but this character is irredeemable. Section 31 recruited her because she is capable of things no one else would consider - primarily because she has no moral compass.
And she's going to be the lead? What possible character arc would be fitting to redeem someone who has butchered millions in cold blood? If it had been a 31 series where she popped up, maybe. But this... this is bonkers.
I second Cannibal Space Hitler.
Also... and I just can't help myself...
Would Gene approve?
And she's going to be the lead? What possible character arc would be fitting to redeem someone who has butchered millions in cold blood? If it had been a 31 series where she popped up, maybe. But this... this is bonkers.
I second Cannibal Space Hitler.
Also... and I just can't help myself...
Would Gene approve?
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Millions? She destroyed the Klingon homeworld. We're talking billions. And judging by her full title, she's subjugated or wiped out others too. "Space Hitler" really is the most apt comparison, since he actually did attempt genocide.
I wonder if her role model was Hugo Drax from Moonraker. 
Is the same true of Gul Dukat?
My apologies. You're quite right, of course.
Maybe comparing her to Hitler is a bit of an understatement. From all accounts she managed to successfully commit genocide. And, given the numbers, is responsible for thousands of times more deaths than Hitler. Christ, even if he had extinguished every human life on Earth, for Georgeiou, well...
Dukat wasn't the lead. That wouldn't have worked either.
I'm not arguing that there's no room for these characters.
Then what is the argument? That the lead must be sympathetic? That the lead cannot have committed or attempted genocide? That the lead cannot be someone beyond redemption?
Since no one else answered to you directly, I'm going to do that:
After the events of the episode "Waltz", a Gul Dukat-led series would be absolutely impossible.
Before that, it would be....difficult.
Like, it can be done. But it absolutely can't be a spy-fi show. It would need to be a serious character drama thorugh and through. Dukat was really, really high in rank in a fascist occupation that killed millions of people. He wasn't the total commander of the whole endeavour, like the supreme leader ordering the occupation in the first place. But he wasn't "just following orders" either.
In fact, the only way a Dukat-series could work, would be essentially DS9's season 1's episode "Duet" stretched out as a whole series: A man realizing that what he did could never be redeemed. That's the starting position. At ffirst he needs to realize that what he did really was irredeemable. Then go an a redemption arc anyway. But he has to realize - no matter what, his actions would never be redeemed anyway. But still go on, try to do good, better the world, try to make sure "this will never happen again" - and then finally accepting his fate that he can never be redeemed. Even if he had this tiny hope for a while. But no, only far and few people in between, that really really get to know him up close and personal (Kira in "Duet") will ever see that he truly has turned, and earn the respect and acceptance of only those few people. But none more, and certainly not for the history books.
Basically, a redemption arc without redemption, the acceptance of the irredeemablity of his acts, but his going drive to do good regardless - that could work.
You know? Reeeaallly deep and thoughtfull shit. Slow, boring drama. That could work.
It could never. ever. ever. be him doing stupid fun spy adventures, double crossing people and gloating and being all snarky and charming about it. That would be utterly horrific shit. And certainly even this sober redemption/non-redemption arc would never work with Cannibal Space Hitler himself.
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Well, Rahul's post above sums it up for me.
Can that be a Star Trek show?
I don't know. A mini-series maybe?
I think "Star Trek" should have way, way more self-contained mini-series!
Why not do the Khan-thing as a two-night event? Why not having a Mudd-short that's 3 hours long? Not everything has to be an entire series. They could re-use sets and locations anyway (like the Short Treks did).
That's an excellent point. I was just curious to the objection to Georgiou as the lead (and saying Space Cannibal Hitler is not convincing) when Dukat almost became a sympathetic ally with the hero characters, as did Kor, a former belligerent enemy commander.
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