Generations Observations
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I'm just going to say it, I don't care if it's blasphemy, I think the Enterprise-E is one of the ugliest federation designs of all time, I would much rather have seen the Enterprise-D in the rest of the films, though I'm not a huge fan of that design either.
I wouldn't call it blasphemy, I think it's pretty damn ugly too.
Now the Defiant had a certain grace to it... That thing reminds me of a Porsche...
I agree with you! It would have made Picard's unwillingness to give up a hopeless fight against the Borg a bit more powerful (and maybe more believeable?) if it was the familiar Enterprise-D being transformed into a Borg ship.
That also would have been a more appropriate way to write the Enterprise-D's destruction if they wanted to go that route-- it would be a meaningful sacrifice rather than a lucky shot by an old ship that should have been no match for her.
Of course, the whole ending of First Contact would have to be majorly rewritten if you blow up the Enterprise-- you'd need some other way to save Data and some other way to get back to the 24th century. Still an interesting idea, though.
The Enterprise-D going down saving Earth from the Scimitar would've been far more meaningfull.
Think of it this way, Picard seperates the ship and has the two halves fight the Scimitar (giving it two targets rather than one) eventualy the stardrive section gets crippled and the Scimitar is disabled as well from the attack and begins activating the Technobabble Radiation thingie. Picard, in the Stardrive section with most of the rest of the main cast (Worf has command of the saucer) orders everyone to evacuate to the saucer he's going to pilot the SD section into the Scimitar. Everyone goes over, Picard starts heading the SD section into the Scimitar and at the last moment beams out with the 'personal transporter' dohickey (Data dosen't die in this) at the last moment and the SD section crashes into the Scimitar, the warpcore blows, and that's it. The Romulans offer to tow the Enterprise saucer to a place where they can contact Starfleet for help.
There, the Enterprise-D went down with grace against a worthy opponent. It's just endlessly lame the Enterprise-D's lifespan is a scant 8 years to the other Enterprises' much longer life spans.
Think of it this way, Picard seperates the ship and has the two halves fight the Scimitar (giving it two targets rather than one) eventualy the stardrive section gets crippled and the Scimitar is disabled as well from the attack and begins activating the Technobabble Radiation thingie. Picard, in the Stardrive section with most of the rest of the main cast (Worf has command of the saucer) orders everyone to evacuate to the saucer he's going to pilot the SD section into the Scimitar. Everyone goes over, Picard starts heading the SD section into the Scimitar and at the last moment beams out with the 'personal transporter' dohickey (Data dosen't die in this) at the last moment and the SD section crashes into the Scimitar, the warpcore blows, and that's it. The Romulans offer to tow the Enterprise saucer to a place where they can contact Starfleet for help.
There, the Enterprise-D went down with grace against a worthy opponent. It's just endlessly lame the Enterprise-D's lifespan is a scant 8 years to the other Enterprises' much longer life spans.
^That would've been cool...
I don't know-- that idea doesn't really grab me, probably in part because I have my own fanboy idea for the Enterprise's destruction, and maybe also because I think you'd have to do a lot more than that to redeem Nemesis.
I also wonder what Picard would do at the end of the movie with no ship. And what about B4? Would there be two Datas now? As much as I hated the way they killed off Data in that movie, it would feel like something was missing thematically if that part were just cut out. If Trekker4747's ending comes along with a total rewrite of the movie, I think it could work, but not otherwise.
I also wonder what Picard would do at the end of the movie with no ship. And what about B4? Would there be two Datas now? As much as I hated the way they killed off Data in that movie, it would feel like something was missing thematically if that part were just cut out. If Trekker4747's ending comes along with a total rewrite of the movie, I think it could work, but not otherwise.
Shit! I forgot about B-4 well, er.... he tries to kill Picard at some point earlier in the movie and Data struggles for a moment before vaporizing him.
Blowing up the "D" for me was bittersweet in the sense that it really doesn't matter what happens to the enterprise because there is always a newer nicer one waiting for them to get stationed on. In nemesis when Picard made the decisison to ram the "E" into scimitar (spelling?) i was saying to myself so what. I think this was stated by some one on this thread already and i agree. Also when picard initiated auto destruct in first contact, it just didn't have the punch or dramatic effect it would have if it were the "D".
One thing i don't get was when Riker told Worf "I want you to prepare the photo torpedos, maxim yield, full spread. We are only going to get one shot at this target their primary reactor." or something to that effect, then we see just one torpedo fired. If thats how powerful one torpedo is then firing 5 or 6 should have done it with the duras sisters' shields up or down.
I did like the scene with Picard and kirk on the Horses and Kirk asking picard questions about his career thus ending with picard talking Kirk into joining him. In my opinion I think the whole Antonia thing was to much, there could have been away to make the scene with Carol Marcus or someone instead of giving us a whole chick for Kirk, it just makes his history to me all the more fuzzier. Just when i feel i know this guy there is something else they throw in, maybe that was their point i guess.
I like the "E" but i really miss the "D". I heard it was because of the interior sets being designed for shooting on televison and not the big screen that they went with a new ship. What ever the case being i still miss the "D" and it was good for deep space nine, even though there was the odyssey, to show some of the galaxies kicking some ass.
One thing i don't get was when Riker told Worf "I want you to prepare the photo torpedos, maxim yield, full spread. We are only going to get one shot at this target their primary reactor." or something to that effect, then we see just one torpedo fired. If thats how powerful one torpedo is then firing 5 or 6 should have done it with the duras sisters' shields up or down.
I did like the scene with Picard and kirk on the Horses and Kirk asking picard questions about his career thus ending with picard talking Kirk into joining him. In my opinion I think the whole Antonia thing was to much, there could have been away to make the scene with Carol Marcus or someone instead of giving us a whole chick for Kirk, it just makes his history to me all the more fuzzier. Just when i feel i know this guy there is something else they throw in, maybe that was their point i guess.
I like the "E" but i really miss the "D". I heard it was because of the interior sets being designed for shooting on televison and not the big screen that they went with a new ship. What ever the case being i still miss the "D" and it was good for deep space nine, even though there was the odyssey, to show some of the galaxies kicking some ass.
I have a new video interview with Alan Ruck were he talkes about Capt. Harriman and Generations if interested:
http://startrekofgodsandmen.com/forum/index.php?showforum=47
http://startrekofgodsandmen.com/forum/index.php?showforum=47
I watched GEN (with the Rifftrax) for the first time in ages last night... and my god, it was horrid. I mean, when I saw it originally I thought it was pretty crappy. Over a decade on, it's just abysmal.
I didn't even need the Rifftrax to point out the bad parts. Like the awful, plodding technobabble in the opening, which you could tell James Doohan had not the faintest idea what he was reciting. (And additional godawful technobabble at other points.) The miserable, overegged attempts at 'humour' - the captain of the Enterprise-B is a useless, nerdy jerk! Reporters are annoying! Anything that Data says with the benefit of his emotion chip is automatically the very definition of hilarity! The idiotic contrivances and plot holes. Kirk not really seeming like Kirk, and Shatner hamming it up as a result. The generally cheap feel of the whole thing. Oh, and blowing up the Enterprise-D for no real reason than 'we want a cool new ship for the movies' was just a travesty.
There was a Ron Moore interview from a few years back which I came across recently, where he revealed that he and Brannon Braga were basically given a laundry list of things that the studio wanted to see and told to work a script around them. Yeah, that's the road to a quality story!
I didn't even need the Rifftrax to point out the bad parts. Like the awful, plodding technobabble in the opening, which you could tell James Doohan had not the faintest idea what he was reciting. (And additional godawful technobabble at other points.) The miserable, overegged attempts at 'humour' - the captain of the Enterprise-B is a useless, nerdy jerk! Reporters are annoying! Anything that Data says with the benefit of his emotion chip is automatically the very definition of hilarity! The idiotic contrivances and plot holes. Kirk not really seeming like Kirk, and Shatner hamming it up as a result. The generally cheap feel of the whole thing. Oh, and blowing up the Enterprise-D for no real reason than 'we want a cool new ship for the movies' was just a travesty.
There was a Ron Moore interview from a few years back which I came across recently, where he revealed that he and Brannon Braga were basically given a laundry list of things that the studio wanted to see and told to work a script around them. Yeah, that's the road to a quality story!
I, sort-of, liked Generations. But the Rifftrax of it was pure hilarity! 
Trouble is, if they'd actually gone through with the self destruct, blowing up the series hero ship to destroy invading aliens, its just Star Trek III all over again - they'd even have done the same shot of Picard looking up at his burning ship and having a profound exchange with Riker or Troi.
Better to me the E-D went out in a different fashion. And while it seems anticlimactic that it was taken down by such a pathetic adversary, its a nice reminder of what someone said upthread about space actually being pretty dangerous - we've seen the E-D in peril a hundred times, it's just that this time it doesn't get out of it by reversing the polarity. Isn't it about time they actually followed through on a damn core breach?
^They did blow it up a couple of times... In "Cause and Effect," they blew the ship up repeatedly...
^ That was my point - we've seen 'fake out' destructions before, Cause and Effect, Timescape,but here they actually followed through on it, no reset button, no way out - the Enterprise is gone.
Even with the perfect 'reset button' plot device already right there in the movie, they still carried through with the destruction, and i gotta give them props for that.
Even with the perfect 'reset button' plot device already right there in the movie, they still carried through with the destruction, and i gotta give them props for that.
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