Generations Observations

[Nebusj]

cultcross said:
^ That was my point - we've seen 'fake out' destructions before, Cause and Effect, Timescape,but here they actually followed through on it, no reset button, no way out - the Enterprise is gone.

I'm not positive but I think I recall once calculating that 1701-D was seen on-screen being blown up something like eleven times, although nearly all of those times ended up being undone. Most of the obliterations were in unseen parts of ``Cause and Effect'', of course.

 

[Trekker4747]

^ That was my point - we've seen 'fake out' destructions before, Cause and Effect, Timescape,but here they actually followed through on it, no reset button, no way out - the Enterprise is gone.

Yeah but the way it was done was sloppy.

Let us look at another destruction of an Enterprise.

Let's flash back to Star Trek III.

Kirk steals a badly damaged Enterprise and take it to the Genesis planet. When there a Klingon Bird of Prey attacks the weakened Enterprise and Kirk and co. get their backs to the wall and Kirk has to destroy the ship to save himself and the rest of the crew. As he watches the burning hulk of the remains of Enterprise hull streak across the atmosphere of Genesis he turns to Bones and says, "My God, Bones. What have I done?" "You did what you always do. Turned death into a fighting chance to live." (or words to those effect.)

In Generations: The Enterprise is at 100% capability trying to protect an alien world from destruction by a mad man. An aging, 20 year old, rust-bucket of a ship that by even the VILLANS own admission is no match for the Enterprise. Even though they get the shield-codes they still single-handedly take out the Enterprise (despite numerous ways the Enterprise could've stopped it or that we've seen her suffer much harsher damage in the past0 and she ends up getting destroyed. After the engineering section is destroyed and the saucer is streaking towards the planet surface Data says, "Oh shit."

See how one works dramaticly and flows from the story? The destruction of the Enterprise-Nil in TSFS was done for drama and it truly shocked and touched the audiances. They destroyed the Enterprise-D because they "had" to and it shows by not working nearly as well dramaticly.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Perhaps it's the attitude of those writing the script toward ships. If I'm not mistaken, William Shatner mentioned in "Trek Movie Memories" that the attitudes toward planes and ships changed from the WWII-era pilots to the Vietnam War pilots...

 

[Elder Knight]

Trekker4747 said:

Aldo said:

NathanielM said:


Generally at any convention hes hard to talk to and deal with and my impression he was being an ass to the fans.

He wasn't being cool like the other trek cast members.

Well, he doesnt exactly have an obligation to be nice to anyone.

Not even the people who's made him a household name and kept him fed and wealthy for the last 40 years?

Shatner? They certainly kept him fed!

 

[NathanielM]

I know hes a rich celebrity who can be an ass if he wants to...


Still of all the trek cast, and it has taken me almost a life time to meet them all... and shake their hand.

I liked Picard the best. (Patrick Stewart) who is much more then a sterotype cast Trek cast member. Who can go and do something else without fail and not always be known as Jean Luc Picard.

Shatener will always be known as James T. Kirk until the day he dies, and noone will remember the other roles he did. (except him in twilight zone).. "There is something out on the wing! Some ... Thing!"

He did so much more and alot of fans and people need to acknowledge that in Hollywood.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^What about Denny Krane?

 

[egonbeeblebrox]

Generations is decent. It definitely does 'feel' more like TNG than the other ones. But, it's very disappointing if you're a Kirk fan. He should've been more of a presence in the film, and I've always thought his death should have been HUGE. Like, combine this one with First Contact and have him help defeat the Borg, and sacrifice himself to take them out.

THAT would've been awesome. As is, it's decent, but I'd rather watch First Contact.

 

[FalTorPan]

I agree that Generations feels more like TNG than any other Trek film. I also agree that although I like TNG, Kirk's death, the Enterprise-D's destruction and Generations' story as a whole sucked.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Kirk's death, I think, could've worked. But because I loved the D so much, its death really sucked...

 

[siskokid888]

seigezunt said:
anything, anything would have been a better end for Kirk. A waste, and the movie: a waste of time.

Personally, I think they could have killed him off at the end of ST VI, and at least have him die for something significant.

I never had a problem with Kirk's death in GEN - He gets to die twice, actually - the first time saving the Enterprise and its crew - Kirk would want to go out that way. The second time he dies saving a planet of beings he doesn't know and never will - the selfless Kirk from TOS. Plus he fulfills his own prophecy and dies alone. Not bad, in my opinion.