Have an appreciable number of people really body-shamed her?
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Have an appreciable number of people really body-shamed her?
Obviously these people haven't watched Season 1 in a long time. Can't exactly photoshop her frame-by-frame without it looking super-fake. CGI is good, but it's not that good.
I try to ignore Facebook Groups. Every time I read them, I start to agree with Picard a little bit more about 21st Century Humanity. TNG Season 1 Picard. One of the reasons I still post on TrekBBS is because even though I don't always see eye-to-eye with everyone (and sometimes we disagree pretty sharply), the discussion is at least above that level, usually.
This whole thing reminds me of when so many people wouldn't shut up about her mole in Season 1. And, yeah, what's the stereotype of about Trekkies? So how many of these people were in a position to say anything?
I try to ignore Facebook Groups. Every time I read them, I start to agree with Picard a little bit more about 21st Century Humanity. TNG Season 1 Picard. One of the reasons I still post on TrekBBS is because even though I don't always see eye-to-eye with everyone (and sometimes we disagree pretty sharply), the discussion is at least above that level, usually.
This whole thing reminds me of when so many people wouldn't shut up about her mole in Season 1. And, yeah, what's the stereotype of about Trekkies? So how many of these people were in a position to say anything?
I've seen enough instances over the years. But, no, I haven't kept an exact count. I didn't -- and don't -- think I need to.
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I have a certain feeling that the people who claim Season 1 Tilly obviously has to be doctored because there's no way Wiseman was that much thinner seven years ago, the people who keep concern trolling about her weight and health, and the people who mocked her back in Season 1 for being too fat to be believable as a military officer and made theatrical displays of disgust at the completely made-up possibility of her wearing a classic bare-midriffed Mirror Universe uniform, are the exact same people.
The press push for season 5 apparently started today
https://x.com/eliastoufexis/status/1750708561272045748?s=46&t=GJ4lIGndtLwuph_LJO2AJw
I.e. interviews and such have started being recorded
https://x.com/eliastoufexis/status/1750708561272045748?s=46&t=GJ4lIGndtLwuph_LJO2AJw
I.e. interviews and such have started being recorded
https://trekmovie.com/2024/01/22/ne...dventure-and-star-trek-callbacks-in-season-5/
Highlights:
Highlights:
So one is probably the 24th century Romulan science ship, but there's another big connection
Future guy? Reman? Na'Kuhl?
Sounds promising...
I could see myself potentially watching season 5
Everything sounds great so far.https://trekmovie.com/2024/01/22/ne...dventure-and-star-trek-callbacks-in-season-5/
Highlights:
So one is probably the 24th century Romulan science ship, but there's another big connection
Future guy? Reman? Na'Kuhl?
Sounds promising...
In hindsight fans will look back and see that a different theme every season is great for rewatches.
Season 5 should be different to the excellent, thoughtful season 4. Adventure is great entertainment, let's hope we learn a few things along the way.
I still think Season 2 is the best season.
My problem is how badly they botched the landings in the middle two seasons. Season 2 and 3 had absolutely horrible resolutions to an otherwise interesting premise. Season 3 especially. Knowing where the story ends up kind of crushes the rewatches for me, because I know how badly the whole thing got botched.
Season 1 was... fine, the whole season was... not good, but the end wasn't offensively bad.
Season 4 ending was ok, with my only real criticism being that DSC seemed to just embrace the meme and have the resolution be... Burnham crying at it.
I have no shame about proclaiming DSC Seasons 1 and 2 are absolute garbage. Season 3 becomes watchable and 4 was almost good. I am looking forward to Season 5, I think they've ironed out (most) of the kinks, that will be ironed out anyway.
I will say as much as DSC is my least favorite of all the Star Trek shows, I *DO* think the era of The Burn is incredibly interesting and would love to see a show set somewhere in that century, focusing on Couriers. The "Space Post Apocalypse" vibe was great, and sets the tone for a like solid "Space Western" type thing.
The single biggest issue with DSC has persisted, slightly better since S3 but still present, is that DSC does offer up quite a bit of super interesting characters and situations... and pushes them all the back burner immediately for MOAR BURNHAM!
She's the main character.
Jessie Gender has been revisiting Season 1. they didn't start doing youtube reviews until Season 2 so they never had that on the channel. Right now the reviews are up to Lethe.
I know some people around here liked their videos when I posted them before for other series. So I thought I'd share.
I know some people around here liked their videos when I posted them before for other series. So I thought I'd share.
My summary of the season arcs:
Season 1: Started a bit shaky, but got genuinely good by the mid-season cliffhanger (Into the Forest I go). MU arc in Act 2 went on too long, and Lorca's heel turn was played too broadly, ruining the season for me. Then it rushed too quickly to the season finale, which was a very random conclusion to the arc.
Season 2: Started very strong, but completely crapped the bed around The Red Angel/Perpetual Infinity. The show just couldn't handle the nonsensical way they tried to square the circle once they tossed out whatever plan the fired showrunners had and retooled everything mid-season. That if ell so low made it recover a bit by the finale though, which was...fine. A bit overwrought, but fine.
Season 3: First season of the show that told a sequential story from beginning to end, and a big step up. The "cause of the burn" did end up nonsensical, but IMHO the end of the season suffered more because Osyraa wasn't that compelling of an antagonist, yet the show forced us into a last-minute confrontation regardless.
Season 4: Good opening, good closing, but suffered from a slow middle, with slow-paced filler episodes which didn't really work to further the season arc (like that ridiculous casino planet).
I understand that, but shows can adjust and move on... and she's a terrible main character. There's so many good characters in the show, but the focus on one of the worst.
Should have shifted after Season 2. The show was supposed to be about the perspective from a character who wasn't the Captain. Once she became Captain, the show should have pivoted to focus on someone else, or preferably lean more heavily into the ensemble.
You definitely have a much kinder view of Season 1 than I do. I think the entire season was an absolute mess, with a few small bright spots, but ultimately overshadowed by poor writing and a rushed conclusion.
I can mostly agree with that. Season 2 did start strong, but I felt it got a bit too "Mystery Box" and since it's Discovery... it wasn't actually a mystery box. The answer was always going to be "Burnham". It made what might have otherwise been an interesting angle with the Red Angel ultimately disappointing because they went with the obvious explanation of Burnham Christ.
Season 2 once again had a few bright spots, and it was certainly better than S1, but it still fell flat for me. "New Eden" was spectacular, and "If Memory Serves" was special.
S3 is where I consider DSC to begin. The season was entirely... passable. The conclusion was absolutely abhorrent. Yeah, Osyraa needed more build up. But all in all... S3 is "fine".
S4 was definitely the best of them all, but I would agree with your general idea there. The middle part of the season was kind of a snooze, although I kind of like the casino planet. It was kind of pointless, but it was... fun, which is something Discovery sorely lacks. The show is rarely fun.
Disagree on the worst. She is probably the best in terms of the character with the most growth, with Saru a close second.
But, yes, once she was captain they should have shifted the focus.
I've said before that if Michelle Paradise has a flaw as a showrunner, it's that she's slowly sapped the interesting characterization out of everyone. All characters are written roughly the same way now - as vulnerable, emotionally damaged trauma survivors, who can flip around to being a supportive shoulder to cry on whenever someone needs them.
This is...boring. And they all acted like this by Season 4. Georgiou was a needed dose of piss and vinegar, but left in Season 3. Tilly stopped being fun/upbeat and quirky, and became a downer with an existential crisis (and wasn't even there for most of the fourth season). Reno's barely fun any more, and Stamets's grumpy energy was dialed way back so even he could be a compassionate friend as needed.
A good show needs a wide range of characters in order to showcase different dynamics. We need repressed characters, perpetually disagreeable ones, bad friends, fun free-wheeling spirits, etc.
We will see what Season 5 brings. The trailers suggest they're retooling it to "fun fun fun" - so they're aware of the reaction to Season 4 as a downer and are retooling yet again.
I think she has shockingly little character growth.
She acts wildly on emotion but is always vindicated and always right. She has a stiff and wooden personality... which makes an amount of sense with the Vulcan upbringing... but they don't really commit to it and it kind of waxes and wanes when convenient.
Saru, in contrast, has an amazing amount of character growth and really should be the "main character" of the series. Saru is an absolutely fantastic character.
Tilly gets kind of ruined by Season 3 with her existential crisis that kinda just goes away by S4. The bubbly, upbeat, positive thing was cool.
Stamets is generally a pretty good character.
Most everyone else is window dressing.
Culber sure isn't window dressing. Especially after he comes back to life.
Vance is pretty effective as "The Boss". I also feel like they've built up Rillak to be interesting.
I think Burnham being the Authority in Season 4 instead of challenging the authority puts her in a very different juxtaposition.
EDITED TO ADD: I also wouldn't call Book window dressing. He has his own motivations in Season 3 and especially in Season 4.
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Strong disagree. Her Vulcan upbringing and burying her trauma is the source of her conflict through Season 1 and 2. It's very dynamic. And she isn't always right.
Saru is a great character, and is under no obligation to be the main.
Burnham is.
Nope. Detmer and Owo both get some great moments, as well as Vance who is an awesome leader and one of the best aspects of Season 3 and 4. Book, while annoying as a love interest, gets good dynamic growth. Riliak is interesting as the Federation President. Even T'Rina, despite my aversion to romance subplots, does well.
Culber is a character that I find incredible and his interactions with Kovich even more so.
Gergiou, same deal.
That's quite a bit for "window dressing."
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