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Sounds like a typical Windows 10 problem...

no it's more a thumbnail caching issue (a feature that's been part of the windows for multiple versions) - something that's quite easy to turn off when you spend 30 seconds with google.
 
Ah, okay, can't say I ever had issues with it.. mainly because I never use thumbnail view LOL..
 
Ever since 1709 popped up, I have had a little hiccup on my laptop.

Most of the time it's fine, but every so often, it just freezes:(. The only way to get it going again is to turn it off and start again.
(The error message just says it was turned off unexpectedly).

Done a quick google and tried most of the things it suggests, but I'm not really ready to go for a cleanse and burn on it yet.
(The only constant is that firefox is running, but that's probably running while my laptop is on).
 
January patches for 1709 were a mess, the Februari patches also not without problems, maybe 1709 isn't ready to be a mainstream OS yet but that is for you unpaid beta testers.. eh users to figure out.. might be some patch has made your laptop unstable.
 
Yeah, I kind of forced the 1709 download, so that's my bad. It was on one of the 16s and showing no sign of updating on it's own. I know the graphics card now has to use older drivers as it's no longer officially supported. Given that it still does everything I want my laptop to do, I keep forgetting it's not as new as it was.

On the other hand, the DT (also 1709) is fine but most parts of that are probably a touch newer too.
 
Ever since 1709 popped up, I have had a little hiccup on my laptop.

Most of the time it's fine, but every so often, it just freezes:(. The only way to get it going again is to turn it off and start again.
(The error message just says it was turned off unexpectedly).

Done a quick google and tried most of the things it suggests, but I'm not really ready to go for a cleanse and burn on it yet.
(The only constant is that firefox is running, but that's probably running while my laptop is on).

Could actually be Firefox......

Maybe it's causing the hiccup, and being a laptop hardware would be different to a desktop but maybe one of its extensions or plugins are causing an issue. I know I did have a slight hiccup with java at one point in time.

Occasionally WHILE working my taskbar will reload all its icons, it's doing that right now as I type this. That's one I have never figured out. My closest guess is that windows explorer is refreshing.
 
January patches for 1709 were a mess, the Februari patches also not without problems, maybe 1709 isn't ready to be a mainstream OS yet but that is for you unpaid beta testers.. eh users to figure out.. might be some patch has made your laptop unstable.

and yet I run the insider builds and never have any of these problems.
 
Then you are lucky I guess, I know two people who had to either roll back patches or even kick 10 off the hardrive and re-install before they could use their machines again.
 
One can run a Windows system in a virtual machine and take a snapshot immediately before an update. That way one can easily roll back the system state should an update brick it. I'd recommend Win 10 Pro over Home so you have control over updates. Linux is no problem in this regard, of course.

In fact, I wonder why hardware vendors couldn't install a user-friendly hypervisor by default and offer a choice of Windows and Linux VMs that one could install and run under it. For multiboot systems, it would saves messing around with fixed-size disk partitions to accomodate the different OSs. One could also run multiple VMs concurrently.
 
Hey hey things could be a lot worse. Windows could be on a very large built in ROM.... Wouldn't that make life fun?
 
One can run a Windows system in a virtual machine and take a snapshot immediately before an update. That way one can easily roll back the system state should an update brick it. I'd recommend Win 10 Pro over Home so you have control over updates. Linux is no problem in this regard, of course.

In fact, I wonder why hardware vendors couldn't install a user-friendly hypervisor by default and offer a choice of Windows and Linux VMs that one could install and run under it. For multiboot systems, it would saves messing around with fixed-size disk partitions to accomodate the different OSs. One could also run multiple VMs concurrently.

only if you want problems.

Snapshotting of VMs whether under Hyper-V or ESXI is not considered a valid means of backup and has been known to cause far more problems then it solves.

There are programs like Paragaon available free or for low cost that provide image backups but generally most people don't think about backups until its way way to late.
 
only if you want problems.

Snapshotting of VMs whether under Hyper-V or ESXI is not considered a valid means of backup and has been known to cause far more problems then it solves.

There are programs like Paragaon available free or for low cost that provide image backups but generally most people don't think about backups until its way way to late.
Alternatively, a backup copy of the machine state when it's powered off should be safe enough.

I've never had a problem with snapshots on the rare occasion I've had to use them but then perhaps that's because I shut down all my apps before taking the snapshot of a live system to be on the safe side. (Copy-on-write mapping should work reliably in theory - not sure what can cause it to fail - concurrent or speculative execution, programming error and random bit rot?)

I wouldn't rely on VM snapshots as a backup in a production environment though just as you advise.
 
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Alternatively, a backup copy of the machine state when it's powered off should be safe enough.

I've never had a problem with snapshots on the rare occasion I've had to use them but then perhaps that's because I shut down all my apps before taking the snapshot of a live system to be on the safe side. (Copy-on-write mapping should work reliably in theory - not sure what can cause it to fail - concurrent or speculative execution, programming error and random bit rot?)

I wouldn't rely on VM snapshots as a backup in a production environment though just as you advise.

Backing up VMs running under Windows 10 can be a pain - no doubt about it.

I have 3 VMs running on my server (2 x Linux, 1 x Windows Server) which I can back up with Veeam (NFR licence ftw) but it won't backup VMs running under hyper-v on my workstation (design of the Veeam software).

Supposed if I added an extra 16GB of ram to the server I could move the VMs but I'd prefer to save my money for build a new server (old one is 5.5 years old). a nice Epyc based system with 32 - 64GB would set me back about $2,.5k but could easliy get 5 years life out of it (probably more).
 
I have Atari ST machines which have their OS in ROM including the GUI, no problems with that at all...

Hey even some Amgia models did that. Thinking more about this it probably wouldn't be a problem but what about patches, updates, and driver updates? I suppose one way around those is to put them in folders that can be modified read to and written from and so on. I wonder what the boot time for such a machine would be like?
 
Potentially ROM can be extremely fast, it doesn't need to refresh like RAM so if it is connected to a really fast bus it could be seriously quick.
 
OK I feel accomplished today. I have an ASUS Book Flip TP200SA which comes with a really piddly 32gig emmc storage...With Windows 10 and updates that ran down to 1.6 gig of internal storage. The SD slot has half a micro SD card jammed in it and I'm a little hesitant to take it apart to fix this.

With Windows 10 this machine really though is almost useless because once one or two apps run it bogs down to a crawl. It was however a birthday present from last year so I'm not complaining.

Anyway I removed windows from it now it's kind of useful. Has Linux Mint 18.3 running and 21 gig of internal storage free to use... Runs kind of decent too considering it's an emmc.

Have used firefox and planing to install openoffice if I can find it.


How is Linux for USB stuff? Can I just plug in my drive with documents and copy them to the laptop?
 
How is Linux for USB stuff? Can I just plug in my drive with documents and copy them to the laptop?
Yup, USB is well covered as long as your hardware isn't so archaic that there are no drivers available. Try booting and running Linux from a largish USB stick (8GB+) if you're not sure. If you want to boot from your hard drive and you don't want to remove Windoze or dual boot your laptop, you could install Linux on a VM under VirtualBox and access the host's USB devices.
 
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