Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading man

[Dusty Ayres]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

DarthTom said:

exodus said:
Hey, at least Harry got laid.

Wesley never did.

That's debatable - in the episode where Picard helps the young rebel who was taken by aliens but actually human, Wesley was very 'friendly' with him.

And Chad Allen is gay!

Y'know, I'd love to see the slash fiction between Wesley and Jono. I bet i'll be smoking!!

 

[CaptJamieway]

Good Will Riker said:
He can audition for supporting roles, but he just doesn't have "it" that draws people to charismatic men like moths to a flame.

If I was a moth, I'd be scorched by now.

 

[Good Will Riker]

^^^

You should post more often CaptJamieway. You only make one post, like every 6 months.

 

[exodus]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

Dusty Ayres said:

DarthTom said:

exodus said:
Hey, at least Harry got laid.

Wesley never did.

That's debatable - in the episode where Picard helps the young rebel who was taken by aliens but actually human, Wesley was very 'friendly' with him.

And Chad Allen is gay!

Y'know, I'd love to see the slash fiction between Wesley and Jono. I bet i'll be smoking!!

Don't give benny any ideas.

 

[CaptJamieway]

Good Will Riker said:
^^^

You should post more often CaptJamieway. You only make one post, like every 6 months.

Tell you what, just for you, I'll do that.

 

[Good Will Riker]

^^^

:thumbsup: Much appreciated. :thumbsup:

 

[benny]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

exodus said:

Dusty Ayres said:
And Chad Allen is gay!

Y'know, I'd love to see the slash fiction between Wesley and Jono. I bet i'll be smoking!!

Don't give benny any ideas.

Ya know, I never did think of that, exodus. Very intriguing idea...

Thak you, sir.

 

[Equinox]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

Garret, like Chakotay's Beltran made the age-old mistake of speaking their minds in their first major role in Hollywood. Now I don't think either one said anything that wasn't warranted but I do think as soon as they started expressing their feelings of script neglect, missed opportunities (directing), etc. other actors (even beyond Star Trek) distanced themselves for fear of guilt by association.

I don't think Wang being one of hundreds of asian actors has anything to do with his non-success post Voyager - I could say the same thing about caucasian actors who are all basically cookie cutter models of one another (CW? WB? UPN? FOX? Most actors are interchangeable). I think that with a show like Voyager your acting will never be taken too seriously because drama people will be like (Oh, you do Sci-Fi) even if you have a great resume and experience with Shakespeare, plays, serious-non-Trek roles, etc.

Robert Duncan McNeill, Jonathan Frakes, Roxanne Dawson and a few other Trek people have had good success with directing and I think that's why Garrett wanted to direct an episode so badly. If he would have had that chance, regardless of whether or not his acting sucked, he could make a career as a director on potentially big name shows for the rest of his life and leave the "Trek" image behind.

**BUT** Berman didn't like the guy and made it clear (wow, Kim sure had a MAJOR role on Voyager, huh?) and probably never wanted him to begin with but was forced to bring an asian guy into the cast. I think he did the same thing with Anthony Montgomery in Enterprise...just add a token but don't let them speak.


It'd be great to see Garrett on a TV show again, even if it is a sci-fi themed one. It's not exactly like he had a great canvas to show his acting chops anyways, so its unfair to say that he's a so-so actor from his brief and plot-controlled appearances here and there.

Given the situation, I doubt ANY actor would do any better in that role regardless of race, age, sex, etc.

 

[The Borg Queen]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

Equinox said:
**BUT** Berman didn't like the guy and made it clear (wow, Kim sure had a MAJOR role on Voyager, huh?) and probably never wanted him to begin with but was forced to bring an asian guy into the cast. I think he did the same thing with Anthony Montgomery in Enterprise...just add a token but don't let them speak.

Didn't Berman actually WANT to get rid of Garret altogether, but was advised against it as Garret won some "sexiest man" award from some glamour mag like "Cosmopolitan" or something? So they decided to keep him in the cast to take advantage of that fact, for their own publicity?

 

[Dusty Ayres]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

The Borg Queen said:

Equinox said:
**BUT** Berman didn't like the guy and made it clear (wow, Kim sure had a MAJOR role on Voyager, huh?) and probably never wanted him to begin with but was forced to bring an asian guy into the cast. I think he did the same thing with Anthony Montgomery in Enterprise...just add a token but don't let them speak.

Didn't Berman actually WANT to get rid of Garret altogether, but was advised against it as Garret won some "sexiest man" award from some glamour mag like "Cosmopolitan" or something? So they decided to keep him in the cast to take advantage of that fact, for their own publicity?

The award in question was from People magazine, but despite even that, didn't make more people watch the show or hire Garrett for other things after Voyager, unfortunately.

 

[Excelsius]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

Equinox said:
**BUT** Berman didn't like the guy and made it clear (wow, Kim sure had a MAJOR role on Voyager, huh?) and probably never wanted him to begin with but was forced to bring an asian guy into the cast. I think he did the same thing with Anthony Montgomery in Enterprise...just add a token but don't let them speak.

I wonder why you would say that. Do you think that Berman didn't like Asian or black actors? I'm just curious because that's one possible interpretation of your statement.

 

[Equinox]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

^^^ You can usually tell what a producer likes and doesn't like by what you DON'T see on screen.

For Berman & Braga, first priority was T&A and then a couple characters MAX (apparently their minds could only imagine 3-person stories in every series)...anyone that didn't fall into those two categories was given no screentime and just on set to be in the background.

I can't say personally if Berman didn't like minority characters (I mean, Russ's character was treated well writing wise) but he obviously has a major issue with actors saying anything but glowing things regarding his show. Berman shouldn't have been in charge because he's too much of a pushover when it came to dealing w/ the TV execs above him. Even if he thought ignoring Garrett was a bad move, he'd never say anything for fear of losing HIS job. What a wuss. So because of that, I see him as the person to blame.

I would have rather Kim's character never been on the show than have him on for awhile and then fade away into oblivion.

He was treated like the young daughter on Family Matters who just disappears after a few seasons, like she never existed!

 

[Excelsius]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

Thanks for clarifying that. It really helps. I think a lot of what you say makes sense.

 

[Equinox]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

^^^ Wow...it's rare to hear that! Thanks Excelsius!


Funny, we have Exodus, Equinox and Excelsius......I always heard "e" was the most commonly used letter but geez!

 

[Excelsius]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

Exactly equitable, as far as I'm concerned!

 

[Chuckling]

There are many actors who work at their best while part of an ensemble. What I'm waiting to see is a new series that makes use of the comaraderie started on "Voyager".

I'd like to see Wang as part of a team, possibly back with Beltran and Russ. That's the way to see their strengths. :thumbsup:

Chuckling

 

[Katatak47]

Agreed. I've also seen Garret in person and he is quite the card. I think he works best with others in the mix, I'm uncertain if he could necessarily carry an entire show but... I could be surprised. With the right ensemble around him, maybe he could. If nothing else, he does make a great comedian in real life.

As to Berman not okaying Garret to direct, I think if one pays some attention to a comment Robbie McNeill made about the situation, that it says loads about why that came down as it did. Robbie said one simple thing about the need for someone pursuing a chance to direct on Trek to show the initiative by spending time in the editing room, with the DPs, etc. - over and above the time spent on set for your regular job. To me, that spoke volumes about the fact that perhaps Garrett did not put in the extra time like that to really show how badly he wanted to try his hand at directing. Sounded like he didn't show the determination that others before him had shown.

Makes perfect sense to me that Berman would deny someone the chance when viewed in that light

 

[Good Will Riker]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

Equinox said:
He was treated like the young daughter on Family Matters who just disappears after a few seasons, like she never existed!

She left "Family Matters" and ended up becoming a porn star:

Actress: Jaimee Foxworth (also known as "Crave")
Date of Birth: 17 December 1979, Belleville, Illinois, USA more

My Baby Got Back 29 (2002) (V) (as Crave)
Hot Girlz (2001) (V) (as Crave)
More Black Dirty Debutantes 30 (2000) (V) (as Crave)


"Family Matters" .... Judy Winslow (53 episodes, 1989-1993)
- Mama's Wedding (1993) TV Episode .... Judy Winslow
- Higher Anxiety (1993) TV Episode .... Judy Winslow
- It's a Mad, Mad, Mad House (1993) TV Episode .... Judy Winslow
- Heart Strings (1993) TV Episode .... Judy Winslow
- A Thought in the Dark (1993) TV Episode .... Judy Winslow
(48 more)


"TV 101" .... Whitney Hines (1 episode, 1988)
- Home (1988) TV Episode .... Whitney Hines
"Amen" .... Choir (1 episode, 1986)
- Your Christmas Show of Shows (1986) TV Episode .... Choir

"I got mixed up with the wrong crowd and got caught up in the money. My girlfriend, who was also a porn star herself, turned to me and simply stated that she was a whore and would always be a whore. But something snapped in my head. I said, “ Well, you may be a whore but I'm not. That's it. Let me out of the car. I'm never doing this again. And I didn't!"

"Alcohol helped. I'd do my thing for about 30 minutes, pretty much just one scene, and then the producers would cut me a check. In 30 minutes I was $15,000 richer. The money was great, but it was starting to wear on me, wear on my conscience. To be honest, I enjoyed the money more than I enjoyed the sex. But now I'm done with being Crave. I haven't done a movie in a while. It's all behind me now. I'm more religious and I'm focusing on serious acting again.

"When my mom found out what I had been doing, I'm glad she didn't judge me. I'm still young with a bright future ahead of me. I'm glad my mistakes are behind me now."

"It was a hard adjustment, I didn't really have any friends and people seem to think you're rich because they've seen you on TV, but actually, I wasn't. I never saw a cent of the money I'd earned on 'Family Matters. When I turned 20 my family filed for bankruptcy and a judge allowed my money from my trust fund to go toward bailing the family of out of debt. All of my money went to cover the bankruptcy. I couldn't believe it. In an instant I was dead broke.'"

Where Are They Now
(May 2003) Working as an assistant at her mom's talent agency between mainstream auditions

source: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0289340/

 

[Excelsius]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

Just found that, on the issue of directing, Wang has a different take. Coincidentally, TrekWeb.com ran an article today that cited an interview with him that mentions his relationship with Berman. According to Wang, he had always meant to do his due diligence in the editing room but never got the chance. He says the deal is that Berman cut him out because Wang basically dissed his lack of creativity in public.

You can see the TrekWeb article here and the original 2004 interview here.

(Say, is someone at TrekWeb reading these threads?)

 

[Good Will Riker]

Re: Garrett Wang,unfortunately,isn't cut-out to be a leading

Excelsius said:
(Say, is someone at TrekWeb reading these threads?)

Your welcome Trekweb for "borrowing" my idea.