Who is Rob Snow?
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Who is Rob Snow?
That sounds like a little bit too much Hollywood Hero Saves the Day (tm) style of storytelling where the hero then proceeds to lay waste to dozens of enemies without a scratch, that's not GoT where heroes usually die if they stick their neck out too far and any victories are highly likely to turn to ash sooner or later.
There are heroic moments in GoT of course but it sounds a little bit too much like events happening in a Fantasy Rpg where the character had a perfect dice roll and goes on a tear
However wouldn't it be cool if Jon would be resurrected, released from his vow because technically he did die (And his watch has ended) and then becomes a sort of King of the North 2.0 leading a coalition of Wildlings, House Mormont (we see the Bear banner in the trailer and it's the sigil of House Mormont, the previous Lord Commander Jeor Mormont being a former member of that house) and Starks against the Bolton#s and their allies to retake the North and prepare for the coming of the Others. Of course we don't see a live Jon Snow in the trailers but it's an easy editing job and i like my theory
I don't like Cersei, but I do hope she kicks some Sparrow ass this season.
Exactly. No one likes Stalin, but when he's fighting Hitler...
The show excels at forcing you to make those kinds of judgments.
Wait, so I just describe how I think Jon Snow is going to be revived as opposed to everyone who thinks it's going to be Melisandre who's going to do it, and that's the "Hollywood Hero Saves the Day style of storytelling." But then you immediately turn around and describe how he goes to save the day (in the completely expected and typical Hollywood fashion on less) and that's... not? Color me confused.However wouldn't it be cool if Jon would be resurrected, released from his vow because technically he did die (And his watch has ended) and then becomes a sort of King of the North 2.0 leading a coalition of Wildlings, House Mormont (we see the Bear banner in the trailer and it's the sigil of House Mormont, the previous Lord Commander Jeor Mormont being a former member of that house) and Starks against the Bolton#s and their allies to retake the North and prepare for the coming of the Others. Of course we don't see a live Jon Snow in the trailers but it's an easy editing job and i like my theory
If Jon Snow is resurrected by Mel, I'm pretty sure he will NOT be the Jon Snow we remember. R'hllor resurrection does things - bad things - to both the person performing the resurrection and to the person receiving the "energy". We saw this happen between Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion a couple seasons back. Additionally (even though it doesn't look like this particular book material will be rendered on TV, I'm putting in spoiler code anyway):
My prediction is that Jon is going to become the most cold-blooded bad-ass the Night Watch has ever seen in recent memory, and he's going to start with Alliser Thorne to prove a very public point. It may even come to a head where the audience would generally feel that Jon would have been better off staying dead. I honestly don't see much of a conventional "hero" story for Jon going forward by any stretch. This is the MartinVerse, after all...
Dondarrion transfers his last remaining life energy to resurrect Catelyn Stark not long after the Red Wedding, via the "last kiss". She came back, not as Catelyn, but as "Lady Stoneheart", a cold, ruthless undead being who was bent on the absolute and complete destruction of all things Frey. Perhaps it may have been a function of being dead too long, but the particulars of Stoneheart's motives and attitude may influence how Jon's character evolves (or devolves) into something very dark and unyielding, rivaling that of the Ice King himself.
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Snow running around with a flaming blade is just a little too D&D or Lord of the Rings, the Fantasy aspects are pretty subdued in GoT (if you discount huge honkin' dragons).
However him taking command of remnant loyalist factions to retake the North fits well within GoT, Snow has always been displayed as a hero just not the Hollywood type hero who runs around with magical swords.
Snow running around with a flaming blade is just a little too D&D or Lord of the Rings, the Fantasy aspects are pretty subdued in GoT (if you discount huge honkin' dragons).
However him taking command of remnant loyalist factions to retake the North fits well within GoT, Snow has always been displayed as a hero just not the Hollywood type hero who runs around with magical swords.
Well...to be fair...Valyrian steel (from which Long Claw is made) does seem to possess magical properties, hence its ability to withstand a White Walker's ice blade without shattering like normal steel or iron weaponry. It has been established that nobody knows how to make Valyrian steel any more, only reforge it, and that it was made by the people of Old Valyria, before the Doom, using magical spells and dragonfire. Yeah, it doesn't catch on fire like Stannis' blade did, but it still sounds pretty magical to me. 
Uhm, did you read what I wrote or did you just see "D&D" and assume the exact opposite of what that sentence said? Hint: What I said is that his sword would probably be flaming as he pulled it out of the pyre similar to how Melisandre previously described the prophecy, but that it would NOT (as clearly indicated by the phrase "as opposed to") be a perpetually flaming sword like something out of D&D.
And yes, you then went on to say that he would save the day in exactly the way a typical Hollywood movie would by using his new reputation to raise an army and then squash the enemy.
Ignoring that "pulling a sword from a fire" is not, in any way shape or form, "the Hollywood hero saving the day," I really, really have no idea where you came up with the notion that it was. Especially since, again, you then went on to hypocritically describe that very thing yourself.
Dude, did i piss on your GoT books or something? Why the intense reaction?
Ok, i misread the last line, my fault but describing my idea as hypocritical when the exact same thing already happened on GoT with Robb Stark is just rich (especially because it's shown that there are still loyal Stark bannermen in the North and perhaps even other Houses are just waiting to join the fight). I don't see it as a big stretch that Jon might adopt command of these forces and routs the Boltons from the North so he has his back free to engage the real enemy. So yeah.. Heroes exist in GoT and they do heroic stuff. Just walking down from a pyre ( i suppose you mean a pyre that's already been lit) is a bit too much for me so let's agree that everyone has their own taste and be done with it.
Ok, i misread the last line, my fault but describing my idea as hypocritical when the exact same thing already happened on GoT with Robb Stark is just rich (especially because it's shown that there are still loyal Stark bannermen in the North and perhaps even other Houses are just waiting to join the fight). I don't see it as a big stretch that Jon might adopt command of these forces and routs the Boltons from the North so he has his back free to engage the real enemy. So yeah.. Heroes exist in GoT and they do heroic stuff. Just walking down from a pyre ( i suppose you mean a pyre that's already been lit) is a bit too much for me so let's agree that everyone has their own taste and be done with it.
Show titles always have multiple meanings that generally apply to several, if not outright all of the locations / characters shown in that episode. I would expect that "The Red Woman" applies to Mel at the Wall, to the new priestess in Mireen, and in some way it will also apply to whatever we see in King's Landing. It may also apply to L's fate, if we happen to see a flashback to R+L=J.
There's a difference between Beric and Jon, though. Beric wasn't a warg. If Jon is somehow able to warg (probably accidentally/instinctively) into Ghost before he dies, then when his body is revived his soul can go back without having lost anything of itself, like what happens to Beric's every time Thoros revives him.
Bad example. In many ways Stalin was worse than Hitler and many people would not choose one over the other.
Unless you're the Allies and its World War 2.
Ooooh - forgot about that little detail. They don't quite explore that with Jon in the show as with the books, which is why it slipped my mind, but yes, he might do a skin-shift into Ghost. That might make his resurrection a bit problematic if his spirit has detached from the body. Interesting complication there.
True - that one should be interpreted in the contemporary context of that time.Unless you're the Allies and its World War 2.
I dunno, it could possibly have something to do with you spitting in my face after you completely misread what I said, and then after you extrapolated some random babbling from it that you proceeded to claim I was saying, all followed up with you then going on to do exactly what you erroneously claimed I had done. Hint: That's pretty aggravating. Doubly so when you then go on to act like you are the one justified in being insulted over it.
I believe the inherent terribleness of both options and our status as outside observers with no influence on either event (since it's not 75 years ago, and we're not in the GoT writing room and are only along for the ride) was kind of the point of the comparison, but you do you.
The thing I don't get about people assuming Melisandre is going to resurrect him is why would she? Yeah, she was interested in him for a bit, but she had already counted her losses. And as others have pointed out, if she did, he wouldn't be quite the same person which would kind of defeat the point; especially since he's clearly destined to lead the Wildlings who are extremely superstitious and wouldn't take kindly to following a shell of a man resurrected by a witch's magic.
Whereas if he's pretty much resurrected on his own, and in doing so also fulfills everything the prophecy about the Azor Ahai without a third-party being involved, that would go a long way to winning them over right there on the spot.
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