Spoilers Game Of Thrones’ Spinoff ‘House Of The Dragons’ ordered to series

[DigificWriter]

Is there any evidence that such age differences were indeed an accidental “screw up”, or were they conscious decisions made by the writers using a similar rationale I cited as GOT? At the end of the day, does it really damage the story irrevocably?

According to the timeline as established by the show (which is in itself different from that of Fire and Blood), the events of the first season take place over the course of 20 years, from 112 AC (after Aegon's Conquest) to 132 AC, with an episode-by-episode breakdown going as follows:

• Episodes 1 and 2 take place in 112 AC, with a 6-month timegap between Rhaenyra being named Heir and Viserys announcing his intention to marry Alicent
• Episode 3 takes place in 115 AC at around the time of Aegon II's 2nd birthday (placing his birth year in 113 AC); his sister Helaena is shown to be a newborn in this same episode, placing roughly 15 months between the two siblings
• Episodes 4 and 5 take place in 116 AC, a year after the events of Episode 3
• Episodes 6 and 7 take place in 126 AC, 10 years after the events of Episodes 4 and 5, specifically the wedding of Rhaenyra and Laenor, and we learn that, in those 10 years, Alicent has had at least one other son by Viserys', Aemond, who, according to extrapolated dates, would have been born in or around 117 AC, making him 4 years younger than Aegon and 2 years younger than Helaena; we also learn that Rhaenyra has already borne 2 sons (ostensibly by Laenor) , Jace and Luke (whose birth years can be extrapolated to be 116 AC and 119 AC, respectively) and see her birth a third son, Joff, in Episode 6
• Episodes 8, 9, & 10 take place in 132 AC, 6 years after the events of Episodes 6 and 7, which, based on the birth years I outlined, should make Aegon 19, Helaena 17, Aemond 15, Jace Valaryon 16, Luke Valaryon 13, and Joff Valaryon 6. Episode 9 also reveals that Aegon and Helaena, who are betrothed during the events of Episode 6, have married and have fraternal twin children, Jaeherys and Jaehera, whose birth years, according to the timeline as laid out, cannot have been born any earlier than 129 AC due to wedding preparations, the pomp and circumstance of Aegon and Helaena's marriage, and 9 months of gestation

In identifying Aegon as being 21, Aemond as being 18, and Jaeherys and Jaehera as being 4 behind the scenes, the show contradicts its own identified dates (and the dates that can be extrapolated from them), resulting in Aemond and Jaeherys and Jaehera all being cast/recast incorrectly.

I did some reading into where the show is likely heading and found some things that have me worried given my specific issues with Game of Thrones, but not watching this as it airs should hopefully provide enough of a warning system that if things go in a direction I'm not going to be happy with, I can just avoid it entirely

In regards to this quote specifically, I posted it in response to the show's decision to explicitly depict Helaena Targaryen as neurodivergent, and used it to, without specifically spoiling anything, express my trepidation about the potential, as a neurodivergent individual, of the show depicting events in her future in a way that would feel like a personal betrayal and explicit turnoff based on the show having made her positive representation for the neurodivergent community.

Yeah, you clearly like it lots…

I am not a hatewatcher, and would not have chosen to rewatch Season 1 and watch Season 2 if I felt negatively about the show.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

According to the timeline as established by the show (which is in itself different from that of Fire and Blood), the events of the first season take place over the course of 20 years, from 112 AC (after Aegon's Conquest) to 132 AC, with an episode-by-episode breakdown going as follows:

• Episodes 1 and 2 take place in 112 AC, with a 6-month timegap between Rhaenyra being named Heir and Viserys announcing his intention to marry Alicent
• Episode 3 takes place in 115 AC at around the time of Aegon II's 2nd birthday (placing his birth year in 113 AC); his sister Helaena is shown to be a newborn in this same episode, placing roughly 15 months between the two siblings
• Episodes 4 and 5 take place in 116 AC, a year after the events of Episode 3
• Episodes 6 and 7 take place in 126 AC, 10 years after the events of Episodes 4 and 5, specifically the wedding of Rhaenyra and Laenor, and we learn that, in those 10 years, Alicent has had at least one other son by Viserys', Aemond, who, according to extrapolated dates, would have been born in or around 117 AC, making him 4 years younger than Aegon and 2 years younger than Helaena; we also learn that Rhaenyra has already borne 2 sons (ostensibly by Laenor) , Jace and Luke (whose birth years can be extrapolated to be 116 AC and 119 AC, respectively) and see her birth a third son, Joff, in Episode 6
• Episodes 8, 9, & 10 take place in 132 AC, 6 years after the events of Episodes 6 and 7, which, based on the birth years I outlined, should make Aegon 19, Helaena 17, Aemond 15, Jace Valaryon 16, Luke Valaryon 13, and Joff Valaryon 6. Episode 9 also reveals that Aegon and Helaena, who are betrothed during the events of Episode 6, have married and have fraternal twin children, Jaeherys and Jaehera, whose birth years, according to the timeline as laid out, cannot have been born any earlier than 129 AC due to wedding preparations, the pomp and circumstance of Aegon and Helaena's marriage, and 9 months of gestation

In identifying Aegon as being 21, Aemond as being 18, and Jaeherys and Jaehera as being 4 behind the scenes, the show contradicts its own identified dates (and the dates that can be extrapolated from them), resulting in Aemond and Jaeherys and Jaehera all being cast/recast incorrectly.

While I'm glad you're passionate about the minutia and maybe it's my lingering apathy towards the show, but that whole write-up makes me feel...

Does it really matter these finer details aren't followed? Is anyone besides those who look super close at those details even care?

To be clear, I'm not trying to be dismissive of your passion or research, but I'm just asking doesn't really matter that much?

 

[137th Gebirg]

According to the timeline as established by the show (which is in itself different from that of Fire and Blood), the events of the first season take place over the course of 20 years, from 112 AC (after Aegon's Conquest) to 132 AC, with an episode-by-episode breakdown going as follows:

• Episodes 1 and 2 take place in 112 AC, with a 6-month timegap between Rhaenyra being named Heir and Viserys announcing his intention to marry Alicent
• Episode 3 takes place in 115 AC at around the time of Aegon II's 2nd birthday (placing his birth year in 113 AC); his sister Helaena is shown to be a newborn in this same episode, placing roughly 15 months between the two siblings
• Episodes 4 and 5 take place in 116 AC, a year after the events of Episode 3
• Episodes 6 and 7 take place in 126 AC, 10 years after the events of Episodes 4 and 5, specifically the wedding of Rhaenyra and Laenor, and we learn that, in those 10 years, Alicent has had at least one other son by Viserys', Aemond, who, according to extrapolated dates, would have been born in or around 117 AC, making him 4 years younger than Aegon and 2 years younger than Helaena; we also learn that Rhaenyra has already borne 2 sons (ostensibly by Laenor) , Jace and Luke (whose birth years can be extrapolated to be 116 AC and 119 AC, respectively) and see her birth a third son, Joff, in Episode 6
• Episodes 8, 9, & 10 take place in 132 AC, 6 years after the events of Episodes 6 and 7, which, based on the birth years I outlined, should make Aegon 19, Helaena 17, Aemond 15, Jace Valaryon 16, Luke Valaryon 13, and Joff Valaryon 6. Episode 9 also reveals that Aegon and Helaena, who are betrothed during the events of Episode 6, have married and have fraternal twin children, Jaeherys and Jaehera, whose birth years, according to the timeline as laid out, cannot have been born any earlier than 129 AC due to wedding preparations, the pomp and circumstance of Aegon and Helaena's marriage, and 9 months of gestation

In identifying Aegon as being 21, Aemond as being 18, and Jaeherys and Jaehera as being 4 behind the scenes, the show contradicts its own identified dates (and the dates that can be extrapolated from them), resulting in Aemond and Jaeherys and Jaehera all being cast/recast incorrectly.



In regards to this quote specifically, I posted it in response to the show's decision to explicitly depict Helaena Targaryen as neurodivergent, and used it to, without specifically spoiling anything, express my trepidation about the potential, as a neurodivergent individual, of the show depicting events in her future in a way that would feel like a personal betrayal and explicit turnoff based on the show having made her positive representation for the neurodivergent community.



I am not a hatewatcher, and would not have chosen to rewatch Season 1 and watch Season 2 if I felt negatively about the show.

M’kay then…. Could have fooled me, but it is what it is. Not sure what the theme song or character ages have to do with neurodivergence and why you feel personally “betrayed” by any show on TV, but you do you…

 

[DigificWriter]

While I'm glad you're passionate about the minutia and maybe it's my lingering apathy towards the show, but that whole write-up makes me feel...

Does it really matter these finer details aren't followed? Is anyone besides those who look super close at those details even care?

To be clear, I'm not trying to be dismissive of your passion or research, but I'm just asking doesn't really matter that much?

The show making mistakes in the casting and scripted depiction of Aemond, Jaeherys, and Jaehera during the closing episodes of Season 1 and the first episode of Season 2 creates a ripple effect whereby nothing that it does going forward can be 'squared' with the details that they themselves set up throughout the majority of the first season.

And, no, the continuity errors probably aren't going to be of concern to most viewers, but they do exist and are going to affect the way that the show proceeds going forward.

M’kay then…. Could have fooled me, but it is what it is. Not sure what the theme song or character ages have to do with neurodivergence and why you feel personally “betrayed” by any show on TV, but you do you…

My comment about the theme song, which was made at a time when I still had very complicated feelings about returning to Westeros due to my intense hatred of the final moments of Game of Thrones Season 8, is no longer relevant.

As far as Helaena being neurodivergent in the show is concerned, there are not many depictions of neurodivergence in media that can be pointed to as being positive, which Season 1's depiction of Helaena was very much seen as being by members of the neurodivergent community, and my very real fears (all of which have since been assuaged) were that depicting certain future events involving her as described in Fire and Blood would end up coming across as harsh and personally offensive to and emotionally trauma-inducing for those neurodivergent viewers who identified with her on a personal level and a huge turn off for me personally.

 

[137th Gebirg]

…neurodivergent…

So…. A Targaryen, then.

Dafuq were you expecting from anyone with that surname in this universe? Balanced rationality? Quiet introspection?? Seriously???

“Every time a new Targaryen is born, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land.” - King Jaehaerys to Barriston Selmy

This is the lore!

It could be argued that anyone looking for and/or projecting a deeper presentist meaning and “representation” in such a brutal circa-15th century medieval world full of oppression, mass murder, torture and rape is looking in the wrong place and will be profoundly disappointed.

 

[DigificWriter]

So…. A Targaryen, then.

Dafuq were you expecting from anyone with that surname in this universe? Balanced rationality? Quiet introspection?? Seriously???

“Every time a new Targaryen is born, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land.” - King Jaehaerys to Barriston Selmy

This is the lore!

It could be argued that anyone looking for and/or projecting a deeper presentist meaning and “representation” in such a brutal circa-15th century medieval world full of oppression, mass murder, torture and rape is looking in the wrong place and will be profoundly disappointed.

I don't think you understand what the term 'neurodivergent' means, so here is a definition:

Neurodivergent is a non-medical term used to describe people whose brains process information differently than most people. This can include people with conditions such as autism spectrum disorder (ASD), attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), dyslexia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and Tourette's syndrome.

With regards to Helaena's characterization in the show specifically, she has been explicitly written and played as Autistic, and because individuals with Autism almost never see representation in media that is positive and not heavily stereotypical, the choice to both 'code' and explicitly depict her as a person on the Autism Spectrum - and it was a deliberate choice - has made her incredibly important, emotionally, for any viewer who is also on the Autism Spectrum (such as myself).

When representation is scarce, it becomes precious, and the show found itself in a situation where there was a razor-fine line that they had to thread in order to avoid incurring the same type of backlash that killed Game of Thrones' reputation and made its creators the most hated men in the world in the eyes of viewers and which I'm satisfied, at least for now, that they've successfully circumnavigated.

 

[Thestral]

I think "explicitly written and portrayed" is overstating it. Or at least, I can't find any confirmation of that. But I do think it's the right implication.

Also:

Spoiler: Spoiler

CargyllBowl was so much better than CleganeBowl. Damn.

 

[Tuskin38]

I've noticed that this series is less graphic than GoT was, which I'm fine with, sometimes I think GoT went too far

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Not much to say about this one (yet another case of "Okay, that was that then."). However, I will say when Aegon dismissed Otto as Hand of the King and said "I have dared...and I find it stimulating," I was immediately reminded of Alex DeLarge in A Clockwork Orange.

Also:

Spoiler: Spoiler

CargyllBowl was so much better than CleganeBowl. Damn.

Take that back! Take that back right now!

Yes, CargyllBowl was perfectly intense and heartbreaking...except I barely remember anything about them except what was seen in these two episodes. CleganeBowl concluded years and years of building tension, both within the show and what we knew about them prior to the first episode.

 

[Thestral]

Take that back! Take that back right now!

Yes, CargyllBowl was perfectly intense and heartbreaking...except I barely remember anything about them except what was seen in these two episodes. CleganeBowl concluded years and years of building tension, both within the show and what we knew about them prior to the first episode.

That's actually part of the problem. I was all ready for CleganeBowl but by the time it actually happened - and the way it actually happened - it felt almost anticlimactic. Gregor wasn't Gregor anymore, not really. And Sandor should have been left either seemingly dead or changed. Fanservice is fine... but by that point it was empty, and the show had gone completely off the rails anyway. It just... didn't matter anymore, and I didn't feel anything except a metatextual "well that was a waste" despite Rory McCann doing his best.

CargyllBowl on the other hand is much more tragic and heartbreaking because it actually matters for the show that it happened, and it's between two actual characters that had some sort of emotional connection to one another. Sure we barely knew Arryk and Erryk - and I genuinely wasn't certain who had won until the last line - but it just made a bigger impact.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I see where you're coming from but while I wish Gregor wasn't a zombie by that point, I still found the face off satisfying. But then I know I'm in the minority regarding the final season and the series finale, so I'll leave it at that.

I'm glad you got a bigger impact out of the Arryk/Erryk fight but like I've mentioned before, House of the Dragon and its plethora of characters just aren't connecting with me on the same level as Game of Thrones did.

 

[Thestral]

That's completely fair.

 

[Commander Troi]

I was surprised when Aegon dismissed Otto. I can't see this going well with Ser Criston as The Hand.

Princess Rhaenys seems to be the only sensible person in the whole Targaryen clan.

The funeral procession was rough.

I knew Rhaenyra would be pissed at Daemon. But I did not expect her to talk to Mysaria and eventually free her, unknowingly saving her own life. Nicely done. I tend to think Rhaenyra would be a better ruler than Aegon, by dint of greater maturity if nothing else, but I gather very few members of the family are going to make it though this mess.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Am I the only one who could get over the baby funeral and the twins killing each other but was absolutely cut up when they broke Viserys Lego set.

Also Ifans was great in that argument scene. The look he gave when he hears that idiot Cole had "acted" was amazing.

 

[CaptainWacky]

Disappointed Erryk didn't say "shoot us both, Rhaenyra!"

Good episode. I hope Cole dies in a really horrible way, he really is a shit (no spoilers plaese...even though I've read the book I can't remember what happens to him or if he was as bad there.)

I felt sad for the dog.

 

[thribs]

Was anyone else expecting the head to fall off during the funeral procession?

 

[EyalM]

Was anyone else expecting the head to fall off during the funeral procession?

I was expecting the body to fall off when the cart got stuck.


I had sympathy for alicent, but that is all gone when instead of comforting her son or daughter (son in-law or daughter in-law ), she instead went to fuck Cole.

 

[thribs]

Disappointed Erryk didn't say "shoot us both, Rhaenyra!"

Good episode. I hope Cole dies in a really horrible way, he really is a shit (no spoilers plaese...even though I've read the book I can't remember what happens to him or if he was as bad there.)

I felt sad for the dog.

Why? He treated the dog horribly

 

[thribs]

I was surprised when Aegon dismissed Otto. I can't see this going well with Ser Criston as The Hand.

Princess Rhaenys seems to be the only sensible person in the whole Targaryen clan.

The funeral procession was rough.

I knew Rhaenyra would be pissed at Daemon. But I did not expect her to talk to Mysaria and eventually free her, unknowingly saving her own life. Nicely done. I tend to think Rhaenyra would be a better ruler than Aegon, by dint of greater maturity if nothing else, but I gather very few members of the family are going to make it though this mess.

They’re all horrible people. It’s one of the issues I have with this show. I just don’t care who lives or dies.
I’m just waiting for the dragon action.

 

[tenmei]

I think I'm enjoying House more than Game on the grounds that I'm fascinated by The Anarchy and less so by the War of the Roses. At least Rhaenyra seems to have more luck than Empress Maud, though Aegon is clearly not going to rule as long as King Stephen.