Forced Relationships
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Bashir and Sarina (look it up next time!) wouldn't have worked, for a lot of reasons;
*Sarina had just recovered from a period of being mute and closed-off; she couldn't just fall in love like that
*Bashir's falling in love with her (he's her doctor) would have been considered wrong and unprofessional
*Sarina (to quote another well-known sci-fi character) 'needed to see where her heart was before the rest of her could follow'. She also may not have been mature enough to be in a relationship, either.
Ezri & Julian may have not sounded like a match made in heaven, but sometimes, in periods that are stressful and hard (like wars or some other calamity) sparks fly and love blossoms; that's what happened here with these two.
Neelix and Kes knew each other for quite a while, and to be frank, she may have been a child, but she looked (and was physically) twenty-something. Also, she had a right to fall in love with somebody else if she wanted to, which even Neelix had to admit to and accept.
As for Chakotay and Seven, I'd much rather have preferred Kes and Seven, as it would have resulted in Star Trek's first real lesbian relationship, but the actress that played Kes was let go and the character was dropped, so that was it. Also, Chakotay and Janeway didn't work out (as she's his captain and he's her first officer) so it was Seven or nothing; also, as I've said before, love can happen in the most unlikeliest of circumstances, and it just happened to be Seven and Chakotay.
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Kira and Odo makes perfect sense to me. I can certainly see Kira's attraction to him - Founders seem to need acceptance - true acceptance - and Kira was the only one that really, truly accepted him (even over the rest of the Founders!). As for Kira...she seems like the type that easily transitions from friendship to romantic love. Weren't all three of her main boyfriends throughout the series like that? (The two earlier ones seemed really forced, mainly because we didn't see the history like we did with Odo.) Either that, or she'll go out with anyone who gathers the courage to ask 
Leeta and Rom was weird, but it worked, as they are both weird too.
Jadzia and Worf was forced. With Jadzia it was natural - she had a thing for all things Klingon, and then comes Worf. Worf though...well, we see multiple times that she is the exact wrong lady for him. It makes him seem like a horndog, but that doesn't fit with his personality. As someone above said, she's probably the only non-Klingon who can handle him, but she is not the kind of woman he wants.
Quark and Grilka wasn't forced - in fact, it was quite the opposite. It was clear that there wasn't supposed to be a relationship there, but it just happened organically. I wish they had stuck together the second time - we wouldn't have been subjected to some of the future bad Quark stuff if she were around
Bashir and Ezri was super forced. The whole "I think I'm in love with Julian" thing was stupid as all hell, and then they actually went and followed up, despite it being one of the worst ideas of the season (the only worse one was having Ezri and Worf have any sort of romantic/sexual involvement - granted, the feelings had to be sorted out, but that was bad - and again paints Worf as a horndog). Also, Bashir should have stuck with Sareena. That was the one one-episode-romance that ever worked in Trek, and it was so good.
Leeta and Rom was weird, but it worked, as they are both weird too.
Jadzia and Worf was forced. With Jadzia it was natural - she had a thing for all things Klingon, and then comes Worf. Worf though...well, we see multiple times that she is the exact wrong lady for him. It makes him seem like a horndog, but that doesn't fit with his personality. As someone above said, she's probably the only non-Klingon who can handle him, but she is not the kind of woman he wants.
Quark and Grilka wasn't forced - in fact, it was quite the opposite. It was clear that there wasn't supposed to be a relationship there, but it just happened organically. I wish they had stuck together the second time - we wouldn't have been subjected to some of the future bad Quark stuff if she were around
Bashir and Ezri was super forced. The whole "I think I'm in love with Julian" thing was stupid as all hell, and then they actually went and followed up, despite it being one of the worst ideas of the season (the only worse one was having Ezri and Worf have any sort of romantic/sexual involvement - granted, the feelings had to be sorted out, but that was bad - and again paints Worf as a horndog). Also, Bashir should have stuck with Sareena. That was the one one-episode-romance that ever worked in Trek, and it was so good.
It was the Cardassians, apparently giggled over by Bajoran girls in the early occupation days in the Terok Nor novels.
And I loved Ezri and Bashir!
While we are on the subject, what is up with Garak's and Ziyal relationship?
When Kira adn Dukat found her a few seasons before she was a little girl but when she's with Garak she's a young woman?
Do bajorian/cardassian hybrids mature fast or something???
Man I love Garak!
When Kira adn Dukat found her a few seasons before she was a little girl but when she's with Garak she's a young woman?
Do bajorian/cardassian hybrids mature fast or something???
Man I love Garak!
Why do I need to "look it up". You clearly knew who I meant.
Not to mention, I never said he should have ended up with her in that episode. But in some future relationship over him being with Ezri. In the future, he wouldn't be her doctor and she'd eventually have time to get used to her newfound life.
That's your interpretation of what happened with Ezri and Julian. It was obvious he loved Jadzia and that was as close to her as he'd ever get with Ezri. And Ezri was a very confused person and her feelings were some hold-over of what Jadzia had felt for Julian before Worf.
She wants a daddy that isn't as scary as bio-daddy and he wants redemption. If sweet sweet Ziyal loves him then that's not an impossibility.
Ziyal was always a young woman. She was about 20 when she was rescued.
Stunted growth from malnutrition.
But she doesn't look like a young teenager to me. Older one maybe, but twenty is just one year removed from 19, after all.
But she doesn't look like a young teenager to me. Older one maybe, but twenty is just one year removed from 19, after all.
When I said 'look it up', I meant the name of the character. You can do that just as well as I did.
Hold-over feeling or not, love is still love, and if you can defend Bashir's equally confused love for Sarina, I can defend Ezri's confused love for Bashir.
As for Sarina and the future-I'm well aware of the novel where both she and Bashir get together again, but that sounds forced to me, much like how many people in comic book fandom felt the marriage of the Black Panther and Storm was-they're both Augments, so they should fall in love and get married? What if they can't because Federation law forbids it? What if two Augments swapping seed and ova cause an Augment baby to be born that might develop arrogant traits later on in life similar to the original Augments like Khan (and require more genetic fixing to correct?) That's something that's not been dealt with, other than 'wouldn't it be cool if Bashir and that Augment gal met again and resumed their relationship?' It sounds careless to me, and is more off than a relationship/love between Julian and Ezri.
Odo/Kira I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIS SHIP! AND I WON'T PUT MY HANDS UP AND SURRENDER! *sings*
I thought Odo/Arissa was a little forced, but I LOVED seeing Kira acting jealous! I also seem to recall in the naked in bed scene where Odo and Arissa talks, he asks her if she could "tell" it was his first time with a humanoid. She said no, and he was all "good!" and they macked some more.
Odo/Kira worked for me because I really identify with Odo. He is my favorite Trek char. I know how it feels to be the outcast and marginalized and to believe no one could ever love me for who I am, and for him to GET the woman of his dreams made ME a happy fan. It made me realize even a weirdo like ME might someday find that special, right person.
I also really like how they waited until so late in the series to do it, or else seeing their onscreen romance would have gotten stale or fallen to the wayside, or one of them probably would have been killed off. (Which would have SUCKED.)
I thought Odo/Arissa was a little forced, but I LOVED seeing Kira acting jealous! I also seem to recall in the naked in bed scene where Odo and Arissa talks, he asks her if she could "tell" it was his first time with a humanoid. She said no, and he was all "good!" and they macked some more.
Odo/Kira worked for me because I really identify with Odo. He is my favorite Trek char. I know how it feels to be the outcast and marginalized and to believe no one could ever love me for who I am, and for him to GET the woman of his dreams made ME a happy fan. It made me realize even a weirdo like ME might someday find that special, right person.
I also really like how they waited until so late in the series to do it, or else seeing their onscreen romance would have gotten stale or fallen to the wayside, or one of them probably would have been killed off. (Which would have SUCKED.)
Three actresses played Tora Ziyal, and all were over 21. Melanie Smith was the final Tora, and was about 34 when she took over the role (nearly 10 years older than the other two). They kept casting older until they found one who could work alongside Garak without him looking predatory.
I don't care about any novel. I wasn't basing it off of that. Nor do I care what any Marvel comic fans say.
I didn't mean they should date strictly because they are augments. I said that the two of them would understand each other more because of them both being augments. They know what it is like to be seen the way they are by the UFP.
That would be a ridiculous "law" to have. The Federation has no right to tell anyone who can or can't get married.
Which novel was it? I'm either behind (true) or can't remember shit (also true).
Send Sarina awaaaaaaaaaay... let her grow, develop, have other relationships and then bring her back to Julian
It was creepy as on screen but I did love how it showed how Julian Bashir was not immune to some of the obsessive thought spirals his fellow augments suffered from. And I don't think there's any reason they couldn't get together in the decently in the future future.
Send Sarina awaaaaaaaaaay... let her grow, develop, have other relationships and then bring her back to Julian
It was creepy as on screen but I did love how it showed how Julian Bashir was not immune to some of the obsessive thought spirals his fellow augments suffered from. And I don't think there's any reason they couldn't get together in the decently in the future future.
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