For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER
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Social change has rarely, if ever, kept up with technology and sometimes technology forced social changes such as the Internet and widespread available instant worldwide communication and information ( only made even more effective since the introduction of smartphones).
However this one is unrelated to technology and i guess it will roughly develop the same as in our timeline.
Well, they hinted that social evolution here is a little more advanced that in the OT (female astronauts and so on).
That was rather out of PR reasons since the Russians beat them again by having the first woman in space. Only later after they actually have proven themselves because the first generation was so damn badass and the public loved them did they become standard in the programm.
You can make cases in any direction, especially depending on what they decide might be different. The AIDS crisis had massive effects, and could've been regarded as putting a pause button on that aspect of social progress for a decade or more as that community became focused on sheer survival. So, you could say that slowed down mainstream social acceptance of queerness or, alternatively, that it ultimately sped it up on the scale of the next half-century because of a backlash effect (it's still stunning to think that George W. Bush's reelection in 2004 was widely believed to be helped along by a halo effect from anti-marriage-equality votes on various states' ballots, and then marriage equality became the law of the land ten years later without as much controversy as you'd expect for something that was being talked about being banned by constitutional amendment by the prior president).
On the other hand, the 1980s AIDS outbreak could play out very differently in the show, just because Ronald Reagan will be out of office four years earlier, and his successor, Republican or Democrat, might not be as inclined to downplay or ignore the epidemic. In fact, I can see how there could be a chain of events that culminates in Ellen coming out publicly, as a heiress, successful professional, and literal space-hero who's also a lesbain, and that being a watershed moment not unlike Ellen DeGeneres coming out in 1997 in reality.
On the other hand, the 1980s AIDS outbreak could play out very differently in the show, just because Ronald Reagan will be out of office four years earlier, and his successor, Republican or Democrat, might not be as inclined to downplay or ignore the epidemic. In fact, I can see how there could be a chain of events that culminates in Ellen coming out publicly, as a heiress, successful professional, and literal space-hero who's also a lesbain, and that being a watershed moment not unlike Ellen DeGeneres coming out in 1997 in reality.
edit: not sure if it's on my side or the board, but there should be a spoiler tag below. However I don't see it.
It's speculation not a spoiler so no need for tags.
actually Ron Moore confirmed the time setting for season 3 already, thus spoiler tags 
You have to put the spoiler between the tags, like so:
S3 is confirmed to be set in the 90s
Once again a cool episode within the style of this show
Couple points:
- being top dog has nice perks, doesn't it? Pathfinder though still looks very cool and i can understand Ed
- his Stingray crapping out and ruining his macho swagger pilot commander moment was fully expected yet i still laughed when it happened
- it seems not many shows nowadays can not run a race relation subplot. I understand it's an extremely important issue but i'm slowly getting tired beaten over the head with it in almost any newer show i watch currently.
- Gordo! Diet! Now!
- man will Ed's tough love approach backfire - Gordo is calling out for help ( much more than i expected) but none is coming. He is dead on track to lose it again if he really makes it to the moon
- Danielle inspecting her mothballed rustbucket as Commander was awesome - everybody knows the feeling of having that one big win in their life so i can relate fully ( even if my win wasn't as huge as being an astronaut commander
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- ejecting out of a fighter can cause physical damage to the body, i've read reports that the spine can be so compressed that a person can lose up to an inch in height due to the forces involved. I hope this is not it for Ed.
Couple points:
- being top dog has nice perks, doesn't it? Pathfinder though still looks very cool and i can understand Ed
- his Stingray crapping out and ruining his macho swagger pilot commander moment was fully expected yet i still laughed when it happened
- it seems not many shows nowadays can not run a race relation subplot. I understand it's an extremely important issue but i'm slowly getting tired beaten over the head with it in almost any newer show i watch currently.
- Gordo! Diet! Now!
- man will Ed's tough love approach backfire - Gordo is calling out for help ( much more than i expected) but none is coming. He is dead on track to lose it again if he really makes it to the moon
- Danielle inspecting her mothballed rustbucket as Commander was awesome - everybody knows the feeling of having that one big win in their life so i can relate fully ( even if my win wasn't as huge as being an astronaut commander
)- ejecting out of a fighter can cause physical damage to the body, i've read reports that the spine can be so compressed that a person can lose up to an inch in height due to the forces involved. I hope this is not it for Ed.
I feel like a fool for not realizing one of Ed's Pathfinder crewmembers was Sally Ride. I didn't put it together until he actually said her name. Still, very cool to see her pop up and I hope she will shine despite not having the glory that she had in our reality.
I'm glad I was wrong about this but I suddenly had this dark feeling during Tracy's launch that we were about to see their version of Challenger. I had that sense of dread throughout the whole episode and now I fear it might inevitable (even if it seems "predictable" that would go that route in repeating history). I really, really hope it's not Dani's mission.
Man, Molly struck lucky. She's still worried about her radioactive exposure and Ed drops the perfect solution onto her lap. That (like the Gordo situation) is going to blow up in Ed's face later on...
It was a small, quite moment, but I really loved the conversation between Ellen and Tom about their mutual love for space (even if it initially looked like he knew she was gay) . Like Ellen, I had assumed he was just a politician with no real love for the program, so I was glad to be proven wrong on that count. Of course, he then turned around and shot that good faith in the foot with his objection over Dani's appointment as the mission commander for the joint Soviet mission.
I'm glad I was wrong about this but I suddenly had this dark feeling during Tracy's launch that we were about to see their version of Challenger. I had that sense of dread throughout the whole episode and now I fear it might inevitable (even if it seems "predictable" that would go that route in repeating history). I really, really hope it's not Dani's mission.
Man, Molly struck lucky. She's still worried about her radioactive exposure and Ed drops the perfect solution onto her lap. That (like the Gordo situation) is going to blow up in Ed's face later on...
It was a small, quite moment, but I really loved the conversation between Ellen and Tom about their mutual love for space (even if it initially looked like he knew she was gay) . Like Ellen, I had assumed he was just a politician with no real love for the program, so I was glad to be proven wrong on that count. Of course, he then turned around and shot that good faith in the foot with his objection over Dani's appointment as the mission commander for the joint Soviet mission.
I'm not. Especially now such a storyline is important and especially for that time setting. The only issue I had with it was the way Dani's sister-in-law treated her. I get her resentment and anger, but that was cold as hell of a way to handle it.
Yeah, that really pissed me off. Ed has come a long way and, after last week's fight, I thought this kind of behavior was behind him. I'm sorry that I'm wrong about that. Problem is Gordo is the one who will suffer and yet Ed won't see how he was at fault.
That was very cool. I grinned just as much as she did. I can't wait to watch her kick ass (both Soviet and just in general).- Danielle inspecting her mothballed rustbucket as Commander was awesome - everybody knows the feeling of having that one big win in their life so i can relate fully ( even if my win wasn't as huge as being an astronaut commander
The season seems to be setting up two mutually exclusive paths. In the real world, Apollo/Soyuz was both technically and politically the first step towards the collaborations with Shuttle missions to Mir and, ultimately, the International Space Station. On the other hand, we've got the escalating tensions over the moon-mining and the prospect of an armed confrontation in space. I know part of the show's mission statement is to suggest an alternate history that's on the whole brighter than the one we've got, but that doesn't necessarily mean the Cold War starts winding down earlier or more happily, especially since the show has many further seasons of material penciled in. On the other hand, maybe the "Evil Empire" keeping America running hard by nipping at their heels for the whole run of the show is too predictable for RDM. And it would really change the atmosphere of the '90s if détente hasn't happened.
I also felt the same sense of dread that the only reason they'd spend so much time on Tracey's launch and how routine it was was if it was about to go horribly wrong. I think it's part of the Ron Moore BSG hangover, feeling like nothing is off the table at any moment. The same thing happened in the pilot, where I was absolutely sure the show had killed off Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren (which made the relief that they were fine all the sweeter). And speaking of real people, I wonder if they'd do anything with Sally Ride and the Ellen-comes-out plot that I'm anticipating and that they seem to be foreshadowing. Moore et al. have said that they use composite or fictional characters where they want to get really dirty and personal with their lives, so the real people tend to be restricted to being nobly professional and dying for reasons that weren't their fault (we saw the former with Thomas Paine in this very episode). Given that Ride was extremely private about her personal life up to her death, even as it became less professionally personally risky for her to come out, I'd expect any tie-in would be a very high-level allusion to her for the audience members who are in the know, maybe a lingering close-up during a key moment or a loaded comment.
I also felt the same sense of dread that the only reason they'd spend so much time on Tracey's launch and how routine it was was if it was about to go horribly wrong. I think it's part of the Ron Moore BSG hangover, feeling like nothing is off the table at any moment. The same thing happened in the pilot, where I was absolutely sure the show had killed off Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren (which made the relief that they were fine all the sweeter). And speaking of real people, I wonder if they'd do anything with Sally Ride and the Ellen-comes-out plot that I'm anticipating and that they seem to be foreshadowing. Moore et al. have said that they use composite or fictional characters where they want to get really dirty and personal with their lives, so the real people tend to be restricted to being nobly professional and dying for reasons that weren't their fault (we saw the former with Thomas Paine in this very episode). Given that Ride was extremely private about her personal life up to her death, even as it became less professionally personally risky for her to come out, I'd expect any tie-in would be a very high-level allusion to her for the audience members who are in the know, maybe a lingering close-up during a key moment or a loaded comment.
Yeah, the distinction is rarely appreciated though. I've been accused here of spoiling other series by joining the dots, indicating the bleeding obvious, pointing out Chekhov's gun, etc. I'm grateful when the setup was deliberately misleading as in WandaVision.
I'm still not buying that the STS had enough delta V to get a shuttle into lunar orbit and return it to Earth without making significant changes to the shuttle's appearance, thermal protection system, and payload capability. At least, the showrunners know enough not to put seats in the LM like Legends of Tomorrow did. I also assume the Outer Space Treaty was never ratified by the US in this version of reality.
I wonder if Gorbachev takes over as Soviet leader in 85 and the Berlin Wall falls in 89 in this timeline.
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Hope that's not it for Ed.
Don't understand why he went all "tough love" on Gordo as he of all people knows about his issues first hand from multiple occasions. Probably the only way he thinks can "shape" Gordo into flight ready action again, but at what cost...
Nice that Ed didn't forget about the Navy hat guy (sorry forgot his name) and rewarded him finally with a seat to space.
Had a dreaded feeling too about Tracy's launch too!
the Molly Comb and Ed talk was hilarious, happy they didn't put her on a radiation death bed just yet.
Hope she can enjoy Ed's desk job!
She's also one of the most fun characters on the show IMO.
Was happy Dani got her command wish, but it immediately felt cheapened by the comparison from "her" old rust bucket vs Ed's all new state of the art Pathfinder.
the Ellen and Tom talk was unexpected, but it's content very nice.
Also gave Tom some much needed character development.
Hope Ellen can come out soon. Was the peom from her former partner?
Don't understand why he went all "tough love" on Gordo as he of all people knows about his issues first hand from multiple occasions. Probably the only way he thinks can "shape" Gordo into flight ready action again, but at what cost...
Nice that Ed didn't forget about the Navy hat guy (sorry forgot his name) and rewarded him finally with a seat to space.
Had a dreaded feeling too about Tracy's launch too!
the Molly Comb and Ed talk was hilarious, happy they didn't put her on a radiation death bed just yet.
Hope she can enjoy Ed's desk job!
She's also one of the most fun characters on the show IMO.
Was happy Dani got her command wish, but it immediately felt cheapened by the comparison from "her" old rust bucket vs Ed's all new state of the art Pathfinder.
the Ellen and Tom talk was unexpected, but it's content very nice.
Also gave Tom some much needed character development.
Hope Ellen can come out soon. Was the peom from her former partner?
Yup, the former bartender of the bar that Karen now runs. I think Pam may have owned the bar, too, but I can't remember for certain.
Oh boo hoo.
I thought the highlight of the episode was going to be the look on Tracy's face at the camera after Corrado stumbled about regolith getting into the nether regions.
Then I thought it was going to be the sly smirk on Margo's face as Molly rightfully tore Ed and Gordo a new one for their hotdogging in the jets.
But no. It was Karen nonchalantly and spitefully spoiling Spock's death in The Wrath of Khan to Ed.
That said, nother excellent episode, mostly focused on how, unsurprisingly Tracy not coping well at Jamestown and Gordo bucking down hard to get in physical and (more importantly) mental shape for his return to space. I figured Tracy's celebrity went to her head a bit too much, but I still surprised she snuck a smoke. When they had the middle-of-the-night emergency, I thought it was because of that but instead it was the vent. Honestly, I'm a little surprised that turned out to be the issue but I'm no space engineer. However, as a Navy guy, I was a bit amused that she couldn't cope with the "loud" vent when trying to sleep. I guess they don't have that kind of issue in the Air Force.
As for Gordo, I've been really impressed by his commitment to get himself ready for this mission, a mission that even he knows he might not be quite prepared for. I really liked the ways he was pushing himself to deal with his claustrophobia by camping out in the dark closet and submerged at the bottom of his pool. I also appreciated that he had that hard but frank talk with his boys that things aren't always going to be safe.
Then I thought it was going to be the sly smirk on Margo's face as Molly rightfully tore Ed and Gordo a new one for their hotdogging in the jets.
But no. It was Karen nonchalantly and spitefully spoiling Spock's death in The Wrath of Khan to Ed.
That said, nother excellent episode, mostly focused on how, unsurprisingly Tracy not coping well at Jamestown and Gordo bucking down hard to get in physical and (more importantly) mental shape for his return to space. I figured Tracy's celebrity went to her head a bit too much, but I still surprised she snuck a smoke. When they had the middle-of-the-night emergency, I thought it was because of that but instead it was the vent. Honestly, I'm a little surprised that turned out to be the issue but I'm no space engineer. However, as a Navy guy, I was a bit amused that she couldn't cope with the "loud" vent when trying to sleep. I guess they don't have that kind of issue in the Air Force.
As for Gordo, I've been really impressed by his commitment to get himself ready for this mission, a mission that even he knows he might not be quite prepared for. I really liked the ways he was pushing himself to deal with his claustrophobia by camping out in the dark closet and submerged at the bottom of his pool. I also appreciated that he had that hard but frank talk with his boys that things aren't always going to be safe.
HE DIES!?!?But no. It was Karen nonchalantly and spitefully spoiling Spock's death in The Wrath of Khan to Ed.
WHAT!?!?Joking aside, it wasn't something that anyone knew at the time? I mean, they weren't spoiler-phobic like today-
Well, it was still in theaters at the time of the conversation, which was about Ed going to see it with her and she said she already saw it...and then dropped the spoiler.HE DIES!?!?
Joking aside, it wasn't something that anyone knew at the time? I mean, they weren't spoiler-phobic like today-
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