I don't get why the idea of the supernova being canon is such a confusing concept, or why people think it will be difficult to write in. Doctor Who managed fine when they decided that Gallifrey was destroyed.
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Third time's a charm... Does no one else see BEVERLY CRUSHER in the bottom left of this picture, walking on screen and seeming to notice JLP standing and looking lost?
That could be her. For some reason my computer won't enhance that area and show a reverse angle like on tv for me to confirm it.
Jason
Let's remove the "Q" as a suspect. The Tri-Lithium missiles are a legit threat, if the Romulans don't have enough Planetary System security to prevent some terrorist from firing one of those into their star, then they are truly arrogant and weak on security.
I know this is kind of off-topic, but.... destroying Galifrey was the one biiiiig fuck up of the nu-Who series. Luckily they managed to become sucessfull anyway. But as far as plot points go, this is one that still has many, many unintended negative consequences. Also, there's a reason why they work so, so, so goddamn hard to reverse that specific plot point.
The funny thing is - this was also a gut reaction by Richard T. Davis. He simply didn't like the Time-Lords. But instead of doing what any other, more reasonable writer would have done - simply telling stories that don't involve them - he had to personally destroy them. And not just destroy them - but let the doctor destroy them.
And now you have a problem. Because the doctor - "never cruel nor cowardly" - commited genocide. They had to work really really hard to justifiy that - it's a show watched by children - and yet they didn't really succeed. They made a compelling guilt trip for the doctor out of it - that was good. But at other times, they were writing the Doctor like in the old series - and that means EVERY SINGLE TIME he scolded a cowardly side-character for using a weapon (the doctor doesn't like weapons - not using them himself, but also doesn't like when others use weapons) - now ever. single. time. he did that, he was the greatest hypocrite in the universe.
Now, thankfully, thankfully, Steven Moffat was later able to bring his action more in line with the character of the Doctor - and in fact used a big, red reset-button to do it. Because it simply was such a bad idea. But make no mistake - nuDoctor Who survived despite the destruction of Galifrey. Not because of it.
Generally: Dear science fiction writers: It's almost ALWAYS a bad decision to blow an entire planet up that's important to the lore. ESPECIALLY if this planet and it's people were a popular invention by more skilled writers before you, and not your own invention that you later decided to blow up. I know temptation is there - make your mark on an existing property and all of that. But you're rarely going to succeed on a creative level with that. And even if it works, no will going to like you because of it.
(George Lucas also blew up Alderaan
)But in all seriousness: If you as a writer want to blow up planets - you should blow up your own planets. Because that's usually much more in line with the way you want to tell the story anyway, and it doesn't feel like you were taking a piss on another one's property. Or at least - blow up planets that you yourself helped define.
Like - imagine the blowback if Disney Star Wars were to blow up friggin' Tatooine in Episode 9. Fans would not be pleased.
Contrast that with the DS9 writers (not blowing up, but) seriously wrecking Cardassia - that worked, because at that time, Cardassia was SO much defined by DS9 (even though technically introduced in TNG) - the writers had earned it at that point to do whatever they liked with it.
Blowing up Vulcan and Romulus on ST09 on the other hand never felt genuine. Everything we know (and knew) about Vulcan and Romulus was defined by previous movies and series and books by other, more world-building oriented people. J.J. Abrams added nothing to them, except the blow'd up-part. That's why that never felt honest, and more like someone desperately trying to leave his own (big as possible) mark on another man's creation.
See, I am the exact opposite of this reaction. Destroying Cardassia felt so needlessly mean spirited that it honestly detracts from the end of Season 7 for me. It is incredibly poorly carried out and shows little to no planning save to make the Founder leader "evil."
Contrast that with Romulus and Vulcan which felt far more character driven and important, and not an afterthought of evilness.
Mileage will vary.
Perhaps we should see what they do with Romulus' destruction in the new series before condemning it?
Too reasonable. Clearly we must condemn things as soon as we can!!!!
Not that I don't agree with your sentiment. But, like... this is a discussion board for a future series, where we've talked like 25 pages about a single image.
Of course we're gonna' talk about the biggest universe-changing event in the Star Trek universe, that will affect this series (despite being shoved in the past already, and having only really happened in a future-vision-backstory of a reboot where it never happened).
Especiallly because including this event is so confusing, even hardcore nerds that have accounts on a Trek fan forum - have problems understanding weather that event really was supposed to have happened in the TNG universe or not.
(I mean, yes - there is a definitive answer: When they were writing ST09, that was supposed to be the end of the TNG universe. No. It does NOT make sense including it after dropping the reboot and continuing the TNG universe anyway)
What heretical travesty is this? You are NOT of the body.
Yes, yes it does make sense. It has quadrant wide implications, lore building potential and drama. Yes, I want a show with that as part of the backstory.
I'm not sure why you'd think that.
Speaking of which, that new uniform looked truly atrocious in the closeup. Like a bad fan costume.
Well... the original plan was wholesale annihilation of the Prime universe including Earth and Kronos... it was Cryptic who saved the day by informing CBS the game they'd spent a lot of time and money on would be rendered moot by such a happening. So the destruction was scaled waaaaaay back to just Romulus.
Yeah, it is a very odd design for the collar. The cut just doesn't quite work.
Perhaps this argument operates under the assumption that Abrams actively hated Star Trek and had to destroy it.
I mean, that's not accurate, but it's a popular rumor.
I'm confident they'll explain anything viewers need to know.
If you see the film as a complete reboot, maybe. But as an in-universe alternate universe created by time travel, black holes and a supernova, it makes sense.
And of course, although unlikely, the Kelvin Universe may yet live on. It's a bit like how we thought Next Gen was dead 10 years ago.
That could be her. For some reason my computer won't enhance that area and show a reverse angle like on tv for me to confirm it.
Jason
For reference here is Gates McFadden in her original TNG uniform hosing her garden in 2015.
.. and relaxing:
... close up shot with a cat of hers:
Source:
https://twitter.com/gates_mcfadden/status/653973779970850816
Someone can correct me if i'm wrong but it wasn't Romulus's star that went nova. The nova originated in Hobus, a system some distance from Romulus. The explosion supposedly travelled through subspace, like what occurred with Praxis, which is why it apparently wasn't detected in time for an evacuation.
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