Thank god Trek comics or books have never been treated as canon when it comes to TV/Film
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Thank god Trek comics or books have never been treated as canon when it comes to TV/Film
Yes, why is this even an argument? It's not like someone's consciousness has never been transferred from one body to another before in Trekdom. Also, need it be pointed out that Data is a computer, and like, file transfers are their thing? If you get a new iPhone and copy over all your files, do you bemoan the death of the old phone?
It's very simple.
Prime timeline: Romulus is toast.
Kelvin timeline: Vulcan is toast.
There's no ambiguity there. This is spelled out explicitly in the 2009 movie.
Not that the Picard show has to give us a whole big recap of that incident, or, God forbid, try to to justify the "science" involved. Just established that the Romulan homeworld was destroyed years ago by a cosmic disaster and move on. No need to drag in Spock or black holes or red matter or anything like that. Or throw a lot of technobabble at the Hobus supernova.
We've managed to get by for thirty years without knowing what exactly caused Ceti Alpha VI to blow up, or how the Guardian of Forever or the Nexus works. We don't need to "explain" how the Hobus supernova works either.
Prime timeline: Romulus is toast.
Kelvin timeline: Vulcan is toast.
There's no ambiguity there. This is spelled out explicitly in the 2009 movie.
Not that the Picard show has to give us a whole big recap of that incident, or, God forbid, try to to justify the "science" involved. Just established that the Romulan homeworld was destroyed years ago by a cosmic disaster and move on. No need to drag in Spock or black holes or red matter or anything like that. Or throw a lot of technobabble at the Hobus supernova.
We've managed to get by for thirty years without knowing what exactly caused Ceti Alpha VI to blow up, or how the Guardian of Forever or the Nexus works. We don't need to "explain" how the Hobus supernova works either.
No it isn't. This was confirmed years ago by one of the team in an interview.
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Well the problem is that they said in Nemesis that B4's brain was a lot more primitive than Data's. It doesn't work the same way.
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Nope.
Memory Alpha...
CBS will declare what is and isn't canon on TV Trek and I assure you my left kidney that Data or B4 will not appear in the Picard show.
One of the most popular character in Star Trek history, and the actor has found a way to return in some incarnation of Soong, will not return? I'm not sure about that... unless Brent Spiner dies during the series run, but with the advancement of cgi de-aging and digital physical sculpting, I believe there's, at least, a chance Data may return in some form. This the world of science fiction it's possible the character may return.
Agreed, but I think Data could return, and although Nemesis wasn't popular I don't think his demise could simply be ignored if he returned in some form. B4 might be the best avenue for an explanation for Data's return.
Out of all the questionable choices ST09 did - this was probably the dumbest one. Trying to do a complete reboot, but also being in continuity with the original is a horrible decision - that just SCREAMS "look at how much effort I put into franchise management, instead of the actual story". And have a reboot then retro-actively influence the orginal is even dumber, and will probably create way more confusion than is ever worth it. It also - again - sacrifices it's own story integrity by advertising the fact it's a retreat-from-a-reboot, and thus wholely fictional. Which - you kow, except for deliberate stuff like 4th wall-breaking - no story should accidentally spell out the fact that it's a story within the story itself!
Strange to think a plot point of a ten year old movie (the destruction of Romulus) is influencing a new Trek series. I imagine when ST09 was made the writers thought TNG era Trek was dead and never going to be revisited on screen ever again.
Discovery was influenced by episodes that are nearly 50 years ago!
You would think in a vast world like Star Trek, writers and producers wouldn't have to, but it's the plot point they had and it was in a popular movie.
It was the last thing that happened in the prime universe as far as canon and it absolutely had a huge impact on the galaxy. It was also the last thing Spock experienced in the prime universe so you can't say it didn't happen. I am really confused why some people don't think that the destruction of a major power's homeworld would not affect the balance of power of the quadrant even 10 years later.
I see no reason to assume that they are assuming the audience knows this. So, to me, this "landmine" is a nonissue.
Agree to disagree. I love how it all ties together and would prefer more of it.
And if they didn't fans would complain. Star Trek has never, ever, been treated as a vast world. And putting Data in to this Star Trek show would be the ultimate sign of that.
Because there is a lack of trust in the current production to write in a way that makes sense apparently...
Other than that, it feels like more people finding random things to worry about that don't actually require any worry.
The Romulan Empire isn't that small, and they aren't dumb.
They would've evacuated everybody long before.
It's not like Romulas' Star going SuperNova was a thing that happened in 1 minute with no time to escape.
It takes time for this Star to build up and go SuperNova, there are ways for watching the Star in the Romulas system to change to that state. I'm sure there was plenty of advanced warning in doing so.
The fact that Spock had time to build the Jelly Fish, plan a course of action means they had time to figure out what to do.
Whether or not Spock was successful in containing the SuperNova was a different thing.
Imagine what would happen to the Star System and the planets orbitting if Spock was successful.
Where would the planets fly off to without a Star to orbit around?
They would've evacuated everybody long before.
It's not like Romulas' Star going SuperNova was a thing that happened in 1 minute with no time to escape.
It takes time for this Star to build up and go SuperNova, there are ways for watching the Star in the Romulas system to change to that state. I'm sure there was plenty of advanced warning in doing so.
The fact that Spock had time to build the Jelly Fish, plan a course of action means they had time to figure out what to do.
Whether or not Spock was successful in containing the SuperNova was a different thing.
Imagine what would happen to the Star System and the planets orbitting if Spock was successful.
Where would the planets fly off to without a Star to orbit around?
That thought crossed my mind, too. It's like, "Well, we saved your planet but you have no sun, so you're still doomed." Maybe the Empire is still functioning in some capacity. Given what a big deal Praxis was to the Klingons - and then pretty much forgotten - we'll see what they do with it. Romulus is not just another moon obviously, but if it becomes a plotline of substance within the series, they might have more options than just saying no more Romulans.
You misunderstand. Of course the destruction of Romulus is part of the TNG timeline. My point is that those behind ST09 had the freedom to do something as major as destroying Romulus in the TNG era because at the time it appeared that the TNG era was dead anyway and the reboot films were supposed to give the impression of overwriting the TOS-TNG timeline.
No one then could have predicted that the destruction of Romulus would have to be addressed years later because no one thought a TNG set series or film would be made again.
Watch Nemesis. They let their entire government die in one room and be taken over by a human and his gang of Remans.
Unless it was triggered unnaturally. Q, trilithium missiles etc.
According to the comic, STO and novels, it wasn't Romulus' star. It was Hobus, located light years away. Hence Spock's "threatened to destroy the galaxy" line.
Here are the locations and sphere of destruction using the same maps Discovery uses for background graphics:
Rator III is the new Romulan capital in STO.
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