And can easily be retconned away with some half assed hand waving like "You may have heard (fill in the blank).....you heard wrong." I'm not that worried about it.
First five scripts of series eight leaked online
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And can easily be retconned away with some half assed hand waving like "You may have heard (fill in the blank).....you heard wrong." I'm not that worried about it.
Well, I really liked the first episode. It all depends on how good Capaldi is. I'm still not convinced he has the chops to pull it off but the material is there, if he's up to it.
It also ties in well will some major bits of RTD's mythos. The problems, however, include making things way too normal, badly mishandling the idea of the Doc being a mystery, reaches remarkable levels of Domestic, *and*, worst of all from a writer's viewpoint,
having Clara responsible for making the Doctor the guy he has been all along, is the same fucking "shocker of a twist" they gave us just half a dozen episodes ago!
It actually reads to me as if Moffat has already signed to leave the series and figured "now that they can't fire me cos I'm going anyway, fuck 'em."
Oh, yes he does. I totally trust him with this.
The end of episode four is the only real problem for me - and by episode 5 it's back to normal.
Still, 'tis the nature of fandom to scream that the sky is falling.
I don't see this either getting the show canned or getting that spinoff - I see Moffat having decided to quit and go out with a scorched earth policy that the next showrunner will just have to retcon or ignore.
I bet there'll be a spinoff book series or anthology, though.
The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if Clara was at the conception!
Might as well get that other controversy resolved too... before running away cackling like a loon.
Might as well get that other controversy resolved too... before running away cackling like a loon.
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I agree as I don't really like that idea at all, however I do like Capaldi as an actor, so on just him as an actor I believe it would be fresh, but however we still have Moffet, which can be bad.
Even if I manage to read the scripts myself, I still think the episodes themselves would be a far better judge then just reading the scripts, so waiting to see what happens.
Sadly, I get the feeling that Moffat is determined to break the playground equipment as badly as he can before he goes out the door.
And, for "Listen" and your spoiler-protected text, I shouldn't have been as surprised as I was at how derivative it was. That's not the only derivative bit. There were scenes that were lifted wholesale from "The Eleventh Hour" and "Time/Space," too, to say nothing of the "funny little brains" bit.
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And we know she didn't show up there to correct something the Great Intelligence did to make him doubt becoming a Time Lord even earlier in the timeline... how exactly? Just because it isn't in the script/onscreen doesn't mean it didn't happen, especially since Moffatt likes leaving "plot holes" like that until the end of any given season.
Hell, several of the small snippets we saw of her jumping through the timeline showed her correcting very minor things that didn't seem to have any outside influence, too, if I recall.
You might as well get upset whenever Bad Wolf has been mentioned beyond that particular season ending.
Hell, several of the small snippets we saw of her jumping through the timeline showed her correcting very minor things that didn't seem to have any outside influence, too, if I recall.
You might as well get upset whenever Bad Wolf has been mentioned beyond that particular season ending.
That's hardly new (although I know that's not a defense). Moffat had to devote an entire episode to un-fucking the Daleks and making them "these real evil jackasses who are Out There and Doing Bad Things," and the Time Lords weren't only taken out of the playbox, they were stomped on and shat upon and set on fire (and so was the Master) by Davies. Moffat had to just handwave away the Cybus Cybermen.
I'll fully admit - I love Series 5, Series 7 (both a AND b), and quite a few episodes of Series 6.
But fucking hell, no one can honestly defend Donna's Dance Party in favor of the end of The Name of the Doctor. Christ.
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Well, lets see... RTD made the reboot both distinct in its own way by making the Doctor a tragic figure who, despite outward appearences, is a deeply vulnerable man. He also kept the connection to OldWho, wisely, in various way. Moffat, on the other hand, has basically said "you know, the Doctor's not REALLY a killer. Not even this whole new incarnataion I just created because I want to do the regeneration limit a bit early... Whoops, I said too much." Which is fine (the undoing of the Time Lords' deaths, not the War Doctor thing), but it does show that Moffat has a rather nasty habit of marking his territory.
Simply put, he's just made himself the Bob Holmes of NuWho. For better, or for worse.
I will. Donna Noble>War Doctor.
Besides, thats hardly a comparison, is it?
The episode that turned them into candy coloured humpbacked laughing-stocks that were quickly dumped and replaced by, what was it, oh yes, the RTD Daleks you mean?
And making the Time Lords into a evil bunch of psychopaths is far more in keeping with what they've been before then completely neutering them and hand-waving everything away as just a few bad apples at the top. (His determination to turn Time Lords/Gallifreyans into being basically indistinguishable from humans, which will go even further in "Listen", is particularly egregious.)
The only person shitting on Doctor Who is Moffat, though pissing on it to mark it as his own would be a more appropriate metaphor.
In light of the recent question he asked about when it was ever stated that the Doctor is alien, that element of "Listen" takes on extra meaning.
Oh, come the fuck on. The Doctor is a dude who travels in time and space with companions, sometimes more than one, and fucks around with stuff and generally has fun doing so and occasionally encounters villains and monsters he's encountered before. The tragic "Time Lord Victorious?" Fuck that.
Wrong story.
I wasn't talking about the design, and you're being intentionally obtuse. The idea of Victory of the Daleks was that instead of being stuck in a Time Lock or hidden by the Time War or whatever shit was that now the Doctor knew the Daleks were back to their ways and he had no idea when they'd come back or where he'd meet them again.
Finally read the season opener.
No spoilers but I wanted to comment a bit on the character of the new Doctor.
After reading it, I'm looking forward to Capaldi's Doctor. I don't think his Doctor is too nasty. In fact, I get the sense that his new attitude will be used in a fun way. A fun, but dark way to be sure. But, I didn't get the sense that he'll be too nasty. He has more of an edge for sure. And, I do see callbacks to Hartnell, Pertwee, and Colin Baker, but also to Tom Baker.
Take Tom's Doctor and make him a bit darker, and that seems to be the tone.
"I've got a horrible feeling I'm going to have to kill you. I thought you might appreciate a drink first. I know I would."
I've only read Deep Breath, so I'm not sure how his character develops from there. And, of course, how Capaldi plays the Doctor will have a huge impact on the written words. I haven't seen Capaldi act much, but if he's as good as most people say, I think his Doctor will be great!
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No spoilers but I wanted to comment a bit on the character of the new Doctor.
After reading it, I'm looking forward to Capaldi's Doctor. I don't think his Doctor is too nasty. In fact, I get the sense that his new attitude will be used in a fun way. A fun, but dark way to be sure. But, I didn't get the sense that he'll be too nasty. He has more of an edge for sure. And, I do see callbacks to Hartnell, Pertwee, and Colin Baker, but also to Tom Baker.
Take Tom's Doctor and make him a bit darker, and that seems to be the tone.
"I've got a horrible feeling I'm going to have to kill you. I thought you might appreciate a drink first. I know I would."
I've only read Deep Breath, so I'm not sure how his character develops from there. And, of course, how Capaldi plays the Doctor will have a huge impact on the written words. I haven't seen Capaldi act much, but if he's as good as most people say, I think his Doctor will be great!
Mr Awe
Moffat then used Clara to make the Daleks forget the Doctor, then by the Christmas special at the end of the year they yet again knew all about him.
And what were they doing in their next full story? Hanging around with a frigging Parliment and a Prime Minister (WTF?) and having to kidnap the Doctor because they were too useless to solve their own problem...
O-kay. So Clara in nuWho is basically a deus-ex-machina kind of character who turns up anywhere and does stuff to save the Doctor just because it was "meant" to happen?
This has made my decision for me: I am NOT going to spend the money to add the Space Channel to my cable to see what looks to be even more of The Companion Who Ate The Show. It was annoying as hell with Rose and Amy, and I don't have the patience to sit through any more.
If it turns up on Netflix some day I'll consider it. Maybe. If I'm really bored. But if this is the kind of stuff they're doing with nuWho, I'm done with it.
